Lets clear things up about PBF and Cotto

[JoartCC]

Take a look at what Oscar had to endure counting or after the Jesse James Leija fight, before he got to Floyd's status, b/c in my opinion Oscar wasn't the big money man until the Trinidad fight, I mean he was known but not the Money Man until then:

1)1996--Julio Ceasar Chavez
2)1997--Pernell Whitaker
3)1997--Hector Camacho
4)1999--Julio Ceasar Chavez
5)1999--Ike Quartey

This is were I say he became the money man, there were other fights in between those from 1996--1999 but those are the big names.

6)1999--Felix Trinidad
7)2000--Shane Mosley
8)2001--Arturo Gatti
9)2002--Fernando Vargas
10)2003--Shane Mosley
11)2004--Felix Sturm
12)2004--Bernard Hopkins
13)2006--Ricardo Mayorga
14)2007--Floyd Mayweather Jr.

At least we know one fighter whose legacy is sealed, he has fought the best from different generations, although I think he is bad for boxing right now due to age and interferring with real WW fights, he wasn't scared to fight anyone and he made HIMSELF the money man he didn't have to fight someone to become him, he made HIMSELF, he also made Floyd--"Money Mayweather"!!!!

Bravo!

We need more men like you.

Men of wisdom and common sense so that those who does not posses common sense may be taught some.

[Diego Morales]

Time will tell folks. Time will tell.

Agreed, but lets also agree Floyd don't need the money and there will be plenty of money to fight Cotto, I wonder what the offer would be b/c it was 8million to fight Margarito before the DLH fight and I can imagine it would be higher than that b/c Cotto is bigger than Margarito and Mayweather is bigger now then he was then????

[Left2body]

By fighting oscar right now with cotto sitting at the number 1 position for his lineal championship in legit contention, yes, at this moment, taking this worthless and pointless 2nd fight with de la hoya, he is ducking cotto by all means, there is no reason for this fight other than money, and thats not a good enough excuse for this particular fight because we saw it already and didint like it the first time, if he dont fight cotto next, its going to hurt him a bit because the guy is in his prime waiting to be exploited by floyd and his superior technique.

I dont like to throw around the word ducking too quickly when referring to men who FIGHT for a living. I dont think he has to fight again and I wont consider it ducking anyone. Its only IF he comes back and fights a different WW that I might consider it, i.e. if PBF came back and fought Margarito/Clottey/Mosley/Cintron.

[Ged21]

I think the biggest difference in opinon is that Floyd fans "understand" his business mentality and taking big money fights to make himself money, and the Floyd "haters" for lack of a better word want him to back his mouth up...he claims to be the best fighter then fight the best competition, "fight for your legacy" type of thing. I mean if floyd doesnt fight at least Cotto, 30 years from now people will be talking about an undefeated fighter who had tons of talent but had several question marks when it came to his resume at 147. People will look back and ask themselves "how come Floyd never fought this Cotto character who was undefeated as well during that time?" and i honestly think Mayweather doesnt care about that.. i think hes a business first type of character...which saddens me as a Floyd fan...but deep down i do think that eventually (maybe in ealry 2008) Floyd will fight and beat Miguel Cotto.

[JoartCC]

I dont like to throw around the word ducking too quickly when referring to men who FIGHT for a living. I dont think he has to fight again and I wont consider it ducking anyone. Its only IF he comes back and fights a different WW that I might consider it, i.e. if PBF came back and fought Margarito/Clottey/Mosley/Cintron.

So basing on your argument.

YOu think this and that.

Ok. Let's accept that.

But can you be a man and not be a hypocrite in accepting Fake FLoyd is not great coz according to you.

You think it's ok to do this and avoid that and it will still be ok.

So?

Can we agree?

Because greatness has a more stiff standard.

[El Jesus]

Huh?

Are you alright dude?

And what about fighting a shot DLH again?

You call that great?

Dude! Let's stop the hypocrisy.

please.

Do you even read before you say something? most readers at a 2nd grade level would have picked up what my post said, and that isnt even close to summarizing what i said.

I dont like to throw around the word ducking too quickly when referring to men who FIGHT for a living. I dont think he has to fight again and I wont consider it ducking anyone. Its only IF he comes back and fights a different WW that I might consider it, i.e. if PBF came back and fought Margarito/Clottey/Mosley/Cintron.

you are correct, but im still mad, i dont wanna see this fight again, i dont think hes afriad of cotto, or not fighting him because of being afraid to lose, but hes right there to be fought and it makes me mad because i want to see the fight so bad. If he doesnt come back, your right, he owes me and his other fans nothing, but still, i still wanna see it.

[JoartCC]

I think the biggest difference in opinon is that Floyd fans "understand" his business mentality and taking big money fights to make himself money, and the Floyd "haters" for lack of a better word want him to back his mouth up...he claims to be the best fighter then fight the best competition, "fight for your legacy" type of thing. I mean if floyd doesnt fight at least Cotto, 30 years from now people will be talking about an undefeated fighter who had tons of talent but had several question marks when it came to his resume at 147. People will look back and ask themselves "how come Floyd never fought this Cotto character who was undefeated as well during that time?" and i honestly think Mayweather doesnt care about that.. i think hes a business first type of character...which saddens me as a Floyd fan...but deep down i do think that eventually (maybe in ealry 2008) Floyd will fight and beat Miguel Cotto.

Question.

Can you call beating a blown-up 140 guy great?

Question.

Can you call fighting a shot DLH again great?

And yeah.

Both are answerable by common sense.

[oldgringo]

The point is that these guys need to fight. The demand is for that fight. Its not for Mayweather/Williams or Cotto/Williams. Its not for Cotto/Margarito or Mayweather/Gay La Hoya. The fans want to see the #1 fight the #2. It is a beautiful clash of styles and a fight between two fighters at their peak. All of this, "Mayweather doesn't need Cotto" **** and, "Cotto is being ducked by Floyd" **** doesn't matter.

The Welterweight division is the best in boxing and the fans want this fight...simple as that.

[oldgringo]

aahhahahahaha...seriously somebody ban this joart clown already.

Bravo!

We need more men like you.

Men of wisdom and common sense so that those who does not posses common sense may be taught some.

oh holy ****....hahahaaaa.

"We need men of sensical common sense who possess logical logic and mystical wisdom-like common sense"

[JoartCC]

Do you even read before you say something? most readers at a 2nd grade level would have picked up what my post said, and that isnt even close to summarizing what i said.




you are correct, but im still mad, i dont wanna see this fight again, i dont think hes afriad of cotto, or not fighting him because of being afraid to lose, but hes right there to be fought and it makes me mad because i want to see the fight so bad. If he doesnt come back, your right, he owes me and his other fans nothing, but still, i still wanna see it.

It's a simple question.

Maybe you misunderstood.

There are no middle lines.

One who has the ******ity to call himself the G.O.A.T. better prove it by fighting the best.

And BTW.

Fake FLoyd has no WORD OF HONOR OR A STRONG SENSE OF DIGNITY.

Otherwise he wouldn't put himself in such cowardly manner.