I think I may have come up with an explanation for Roy's Positive Steroid Test...

[Truth]

Maybe this is what he was taking, it contains andro...

http://www.nutros.com/nsr-07030.html

ESPN.com said that Roy tested positive for Andro.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2782402

But I'm no drug expert at all. I just looked around online to see if Ripped Fuel ever contained any form of Andro.

[moofo]

That was his excuse....
How he tested 6x the legal level is another question.

[Silencers]

That's what he said he took before he tested positive.

[Truth]

That's what he said he took before he tested positive.

"GL: Roy, you've yet to speak on this and reports have been made (by Aladdin Freeman and Elisa Harrison, which was then followed up by Scoop Malinowski) that you tested positive for steroids after you fought Richard Hall.

RJJ: All that was, and I'm gonna tell you exactly what they talking bout. There's this thing Ripped Fuel that they sell over the counter. Now they don't allow you to take Ripped Fuel, they asked me what I took and I admitted I did take Ripped Fuel because it was under the guides of GNC. They were trying to say no you can't take that, and I never took that from that point on.

After that, I got together with someone who knows what you can take and can't take, that's why it never happened again. I was like .05, Hall was like way up there from something that might not have been over the counter. Ripped Fuel and 4-WAY (nasal decongestant) that's why that whole thing happened, and matter fact I took two other tests, they came back cool."-www.boxing talk.net

When he said this everyone said he was lying. But if Andro is what caused the positive test, which most agree it was, then he may have been telling the truth. It turns out there was a form of Ripped Fuel that contained the steroid. It twinlab on their website, no longer seems to carry it.

[Truth]

"Sports supplements come in many forms, from protein bars to liquids that allegedly increase human growth hormone. Here are three popular supplement categories among athletes and fitness buffs, brand names, what they're supposed to do and what doctors say are their hazards:

HORMONALS

What they are: Supplements containing chemicals like androstenedione, androstenediol and nordandrostenedione. Known on the street as andro, roids, sauce, juice, oils.

Brand names: 3-Andro Xtreme, Andro-Gen, Andro-Stack, Animal Stak, Nor Andro Ripped Fuel Stack.

What they're supposed to do: Increase the body's production of muscle-building hormones such as testosterone and human growth hormone.

Potential problems: Positive drug tests for banned anabolic steroids, fluid retention, high blood pressure, liver tumors, joint problems, severe acne, stunted growth, increased production of estrogen, leading to breast tissue growth in males. Some sleep aids used to promote growth-hormone production have been contaminated with GHB, a dangerous, highly addictive sedative."

http://apse.dallasnews.com/contest/2001/writing/over250.enterprise.third1.html

[Silencers]

Maybe he's telling the truth, maybe he's not. Everyone can have their su****ions.

[moofo]

Roy was also linked to Balco.
Most people like yourself right now try to say Roy is innocent because they find it hard to accept that the P4P # 1 for so long was actually a cheat.
What I find strange is how many Stars like Marion Jones were found out yet no-one stood up for them.
Right after Jones Positive test came to light was his first fight with Tarver as well.
And the first time he looked "Human".
He also changed his original excuse of Nasal Congestant to Ripped fuel afterwards.
Believe what you will.
Go here for further reading....more links at the bottom.
Draw your own conclusions.
http://www.braggingrightscorner.com/...nes092704.html

[big paulie]

Roy was also linked to Balco.
Most people like yourself right now try to say Roy is innocent because they find it hard to accept that the P4P # 1 for so long was actually a cheat.
What I find strange is how many Stars like Marion Jones were found out yet no-one stood up for them.
Right after Jones Positive test came to light was his first fight with Tarver as well.
And the first time he looked "Human".
He also changed his original excuse of Nasal Congestant to Ripped fuel afterwards.
Believe what you will.
Go here for further reading....more links at the bottom.
Draw your own conclusions.
http://www.braggingrightscorner.com/...nes092704.html

Your implying that jones took steroids his whole career pre-Tarver, how else could you explain that fantastic handspeed? So does that mean Ray Leonard was on the juice aswell, afterall he was similar in style and speed to Roy?

[moofo]

Your implying that jones took steroids his whole career pre-Tarver, how else could you explain that fantastic handspeed? So does that mean Ray Leonard was on the juice aswell, afterall he was similar in style and speed to Roy?

Steroids do improve a fighter and do you know why?
Because it allows for them to train much harder for longer periods of time.
It also improves strength and ability to take punishment.
No-one is saying that Jones didn't have natural ability but if you couple that amazing natural talent with Steroids then you get Superhuman talent.
Stop trying to make out that STeroids cannot improve a fighters performance.
Because if they didn't they would NOT be BANNED!

DR. GOODMAN: Steroids have a lot of issues, in that not only are they dangerous to take but they do give someone an unfair advantage. It may not be the advantage that would help a boxer, obviously they are not going to help his chin, but there still are advantages.

The main advantage of anabolic steroids to a boxer is in training. It enables the fighter to train longer, to train harder, to train more times in a day, it allows very quick recovery for your muscles and that's a problem. Does it help in a 36 minutes, 12 rounds fight? Probably to some degree, but maybe not to the degree where it would change a decision that much. Can it give someone increased power? Certain kinds of steroids do and certain kinds of steroids don't.

There is the psychosomatic aspect of it, where they may not make you feel stronger, but in your mind it makes you thing you are, and that's an aspect too with anything that a fighter does. You know how much of the game is mental, so you have to worry about that as well.

In essence it can make you get through a fight better because you've been able to train more -and you get stronger just from training. It really gives you -in some instances- a false sense of security while predisposing you to a whole group of risks that you shouldn't have when you step into a ring.

QUESTION: What kind of drugs are you talking about?

DR. GOODMAN: Well, believe it or not, there are drugs that are almost like amphetamines but aren't really amphetamines.. They are drugs that are used for attention deficit disorders that boxers are now using, and I know they are using them... You know there is a group of boxers that maybe don't have the education skills that some other fighters have... maybe they are getting older, and maybe their body is more fatigued, and on top of that, and they are getting conned into thinking that they can act quicker, think faster, if they take these drugs. You top that with a doctor prescribing them and fighters will use things like that...

Amphetamines can also predispose your brain to bleeding and blood vessels, they can predispose you to seizures... Ephedra is very similar, it is a stimulant... Even something like aspirins and Advil, I see fighters take them all the time, and it's illegal in our state, and they should be illegal everywhere because they predispose you to bleeding. That's a simple over the counter drug, but it can be lethal to a boxer, and if they don't have someone telling them that they shouldn't take these things, perhaps, you know.. steroids can be the least of their problem.

But steroids are not fair, it's wrong and there needs to be uniform testing for them. If there is anything that came out of the last meeting of the Association of Boxing Commissions meeting is.. there was some discussion on how why some states don't do drug testing and there are all kinds of excuses, but we are at a point in the sport that people wonder -particularly a lot of people in boxing- wonder why anyone would suggest federal regulation of the sport. Well, just what you said, it's the lack of uniform health and safety standards is a good enough reason for anybody. I hope that after this last meeting... and you have to worry because the ABC is a good organization but it doesn't have the power or the control, all they can do is make recommendations and unfortunately many states just won't follow those recommendations but I hope that within the next six months there will be at least uniform drug testing standards. It's a tough issue, it's not a new issue, it's a long standing problem.

People have to have a conscience and unfortunately people get so caught on in their day to day work, and a lot of people on Commissions, including our Commission, we don't get paid for the work that we do. But you have to have a conscience and look at that individual fighter that is coming to your state and say what is this person at risk for? What is their medical history? What can I do to make sure that they have a safe fight in my state and by the time they go to the next state they are going to be safe as well... and that comes with education.


QUESTION: What do you know about Ripped Fuel and is this something commonly used by boxers?

DR. GOODMAN:I think that Ripped Fuel used to be used a lot... Ripped Fuel is illegal in our state; it's illegal because it has Ephedra in it... Anyone that take Ephedra, it doesn't have to be a boxer, you or I, would be placing themselves at risk of a heart attack or a stroke. When you combine that with someone having to undergo the extreme regiment that a boxer has to undergo, and top that with being in the ring even for four rounds, putting all that stress on the body, you are really setting yourself up for a serious problem.

QUESTION: Care to talk about over the counter supplements and steroids?

DR. GOODMAN: It is true to some degree that there are some kinds of substances than can be in some over the counter preparations that will break down and show up as a steroid but that's pretty far and few between and there are tests that an accepted laboratory can do to distinguish between what is actually true anabolic steroids versus something that was put in an over the counter supplement. It is important for boxers to take control of their own lives and look at what someone is giving them to take, just like Fernando (Vargas) realized.

The main thing that I would say to fighters is... there has been a lot of talk about fighters have a boxers' union, I think that is a wonderful idea, but part of the reason why fighters like Eddie M. Muhammad are for something like that is because boxers have their own rights and boxers need to understand their own bodies and what goes into their bodies, because that is part of what will make them have a successful career. The most important thing that they can do as part of their training, including their nutrition and their physical health is to know what they are taking. Any fighter can call our Commission anonymously and ask if "this" is something safe for me to fight on; we have an open door policy like that, and I believe that's important for every Commission to do, to counsel fighters on what it's safe for them to fight on, be it an over the counter medicine, or something for their sinuses, or something someone is trying to give them as a supplement.

Let's open up this topic, so that fighters can start thinking about what goes into their bodies, not just because of the repercussion of getting a suspension or not being allowed to fight but because what someone is telling them to do or to take could be very dangerous to their health, inhibit them from being successful in the ring and even be LETHAL down the road.

[Ryn0]

Steroids do improve a fighter and do you know why?
Because it allows for them to train much harder for longer periods of time.
It also improves strength and ability to take punishment.
No-one is saying that Jones didn't have natural ability but if you couple that amazing natural talent with Steroids then you get Superhuman talent.
Stop trying to make out that STeroids cannot improve a fighters performance.
Because if they didn't they would NOT be BANNED!

true but I'd just like to point out that steroids effectively let you train longer but the means they do it in is by speeding up the recovery of you muscle's after training therefore they allow you to build alot more muscle in alot less time but the problem with that is Roy would have to have taken steroids for a lot longer than just a pre fight period for the effects to be noticable meaning he should have failed every drug test which i don't think he did.

Although progressive use of steroids over a long periods of time does prove that it could have been the cause for 6X the legal amount.