Could Smoking Joe Beat Tyson?

[Degsy]

Same here.

Technically sound fighters like Ali, Lewis, Holyfield beat Tyson everytime prime for prime at their bests, but Frazier liked to slug it too and if he slugged with a Prime Tyson, then I think Mikey would win.

Very good post, you've only got to see what happened when someone bigger, who liked going forward, went in with him (i.e George Foreman) Obviously Foreman and Tyson fought differently, but they were both bigger hitters. My prediciton see below!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpEuGaRp9l8

[Southpaw Stinger]

Frazier could win, never say never. I think though that more often than not Tyson beats Frazier. Tyson = fast starter Frazier = slow starter. Frazier only has a chance if he makes it past round 5.

[Degsy]

re my previous post, Tyson would be faster than George, but he wouldn't have the reach advantage to psuh Joe off like George did (looked like a dad sparring with his teenage son!!)

the second fight was similar, give Joe F props fro taking that kind of punishment and shows how much Ali must have taken on his arms before he turned the tables.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_ylqtVvzTE&feature=related

Love Frazier's stunt turning up with a clean head under his hood!

[Degsy]

Frazier could win, never say never. I think though that more often than not Tyson beats Frazier. Tyson = fast starter Frazier = slow starter. Frazier only has a chance if he makes it past round 5.

I'd never count Joe out and a non prime form (a different argument, I concede) a past prime Joe takes a past prime Tyson, but not the other way. Reckon George would have stopped Mike if he caught him!

[TheGreatA]

Some Frazier vid's:


Frazier destroys "Ziggy" Zyglewicz in the first round.


Frazier destroys Jimmy Ellis and unifies the world title.


Frazier destroys Bob Foster in two.


Frazier defeats Ali and captures the linear heavyweight championship.


Frazier stops Ron Stander who had recently beaten Earnie Shavers.


Frazier stops Jerry Quarry.

[typeone]

If Joe gets past round 5, From then on its his Fight. IMO

[Degsy]

Its certainly not a clear cut field either way, is it. The videos our Finnish friend posted showed how destructive and busy Joe was and the ones I posted showed what happened when he came up against a freak of nature in George, but that in itself isn't enough as

1) the freak of nature that is Tyson also has destructive power, but not the same tools as George, reach vs speed Fraizer coped with handspeed - Jimmy and Ali than reach - George.

2) Courage - Joe had it in spades, he didn't flinch at a rematch with George so he wouldn't have been mentally effected by Tyson like some of those that were beaten before they stepped in the ring

3) Stamina - George could go 15 rounds, so the 'survive the onslaught argument for 6 rounds then turn the tables' can't be dismissed

You've already had my opinion, past prime but I've jsut talked my way out of a definite opinion on the thread now!!! I'm off to think see you later!! lol

[RageX]

I don't go by Boxrec, I judge how they look next to other people in the ring. How is it "6'3"" Holyfield was dwarfed by 6'4" Rid**** Bowe?

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/225227.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1934A2752006EF5F0ED06B69A7162518EA9284831B75F48EF45

[Jim Jeffries]

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/22522...4831B75F48EF45

Lol you have Holyfield standing straight up with his head bent forward and Bowe doubled over and they're still the same height, proving my point, thanks. If you saw the fights, Bowe was a lot taller. At least 2 inches, maybe 3.

[TheGreatA]

Another pic of Holyfield and Bowe.