Miguel Cotto Is The New "Golden Boy"

**circleinsidebox** · 01-15-2008, 12:39 AM

he cant, he doesnt have the boy next door/model look
nor kan he speak english that well
those 2 factors alone is what will keep him
a name to the hardcore fans only and those of his country
he also doesnt smile that often and he has a pretty dead personality
the complete opposite of the OG golden boy

**Silencers** · 01-15-2008, 12:51 AM

You're just looking at what DLH did inside the ring. What made him 'The Golden Boy' was what happened outside of the ring. His story about promising his mother the gold medal and winning it, he's good looking and articulate and managed to open a new market to boxing just to watch him.

Cotto has a style that makes exciting fights but outside of the ring, he's like a statue.

**Sin City** · 01-15-2008, 12:51 AM

you forget to mention that he started his pro career in 2001 and is still pretty fresh, he has fought the toughest challenges presented to him at the time and just now passed his test to the big league in a impressive fashion.

**Left2body** · 01-15-2008, 12:52 AM

Firstly many people do over-rate him but most of those are people who dislike PBF and wish to see ANYONE beat him. With that said he is still the most accomplished fighter in the most talented division so yeah he is gonna get a lot of attention.

Cotto's style is also very fan friendly. Not just his pressure high action but also the fact that when he is stunned he visibly shows it.....and he still overcomes this and wins with KO's.

Thats why Gatti was making money and fights WAYYY out of what someone with comparable skills should've been making. Its why the Rocky movies were so succesful and its why Cotto will continue to gain fans at an exponential rate. People like to see there hero's humbled and we build up hero's to drag them back down.

Rocky 6 showed us that a dominant champ is not a sell. People want to believe that the champ was pushed and overcame obversity. Thats why PBF has sooo many detractors and people who refuse so see that he is the best p4p fighter. PBF has made his wins look too easy at times and it hurts him more than helps him.

Cotto is not the new golden boy he isn't that charismatic to even be like Tito for PR's who still hold Tito in higher regard. Cotto will be like the Puerto Rican Gatti but a legit true champ with top level talent. Gatti didn't have the talent to compete at the top levels.

**-Antonio-** · 01-15-2008, 01:14 AM

Do people not understand the concept of a tune-up fight? Read that article the guy did on this, he makes all the points you need to hear. Four top 10 Welterweights in 13 months. No one else has done that.

**oldgringo** · 01-15-2008, 01:19 AM

This is consistent with what you have posted from day one...at least.

"I like Cotto, but (insert fighter) will beat him."

Alot of stuff he's done has been so overrated while alot of stuff he fails to do gets completely overlooked and not talked about.

Vague.

Im not dissing him.

Yes you are.

"Really though, what has he really done so great?" - Diss

"Its so overrated what Cotto has done." - Diss

Your agenda is to discredit Cotto while defending Floyd. We all know this. You should not pretend to respect or acknowledge Cotto as anything since it is pretty clear what you think of him.

Manny Steward talks about how Cotto fights everyone and people on here say the same thing but what proof do you have of it? Everyone now gives Cotto a ton of credit for beating Torres & Paulie. Even Steward does. Do people even remember those fights? When those fights were made, most predicted that Cotto would win by a 3rd round KO. No one even knew who Torres was. Only a few people knew about Paulie and all of them thought he was a bum ass club fighter. Now those wins are supposed to be star studded? Now Paulie looks average against Herman and people say he is not that good. Then Cotto gets a boat load of credit for beating Quintana just because he beat a green Julio who has done nothing in his career. Its so overrated what Cotto has done.

Who has said they are "star studded"? You are sensationalizing. They are good wins because those guys have been successful preceding the Cotto fight and afterward. Paul has gone on to win a title. Torres went on to win a title. Both men have defended their titles. Nobody here knew much about either of those guys outside of what they showed against Cotto and their respective following matches. You have to base the quality of the wins on what they have shown in the ring, in addition to their accomplishments, and both fighters have been shown to be legitimate competition.

Then Cotto gets a boat load of credit for beating Quintana just because he beat a green Julio who has done nothing in his career. Its so overrated what Cotto has done.

Again, you are missing the point. Not every fighter can go out and beat established, ex or current champions every fight. The Quintana win was good for several reasons:

A) Quintana was a prospect just like Julio was. You pointing out that Julio was "green" means absolutely nothing considering that Quintana was too. On the other hand, Julio was one of the very top prospects in the world at the time, sporting a gaudy KO-laden record. the public knew much more about him than Quintana. Quintana took Julio to school. This was a shocking result and as a result, a great win for Quintana.

B) Cotto completely destroyed Quintana. It was a bad beating of an undefeated, then highly regarded prospect in Cotto's introduction to the division. The way Cotto walked through Quintana was impressive. How many undefeated champions looking to move up in weight will go after a high risk, low reward fight like that? Not many is your answer...

Another thing that makes him the Golden Boy is that people think he's elite and a prospect at the same time. You cant have it both ways.

What? Hah...what does this even mean? People stopped considering him a prospect a long time ago. Anyone who says otherwise, well, disregard them.

You cant diss Floyd for fighting and beating Zab but make Cotto a super star for beating Zab after Floyd did, after Zab came off a year long suspension, and after Zab hadnt won a fight in 2 years. Now no one wants to see Oscar vs Floyd but all those same people wanted to see Cotto vs Oscar. Then they have the nerve to say that Floyd's win over Oscar means nothing because Oscar was a washed up bum but if Oscar beats Cotto then Floyd is still a punk for not fighting Cotto? Please. If Cotto cant beat Oscar then he never deserved a Floyd fight in the 1st place.

You do understand that Floyd has been fighting for several years longer than Cotto right? Cotto is still building a legacy. I feel *most* recognize the Oscar win as a good win because of the size difference and because Oscar is Oscar. People want to see Cotto/Oscar so that Cotto can get his name into the mainstream. Again...the difference in years of service between Floyd and Cotto plays into this.

Then look at Cotto's size. Thats the biggest thing to me. He is always way bigger then his opponents. At 140 it was clear to me that he wouldve had atleast 2 losses if he wasnt just so much bigger then those opponents.

That's like saying, "Floyd would have at least two more losses if his hands weren't so fast and his reflexes weren't so amazing"...duh. Cotto makes weight and is a small man in height and length. Any unnatural weight loss would only hinder his performance.

Then people say Floyd hasnt fought a real WW when he beat guys like Baldy & Oscar who are huge. Who has Cotto beat that was a real WW? The only 2 real WW's he fought were Shane & Quintana and those guys are not big WW's. Quintana is a boxer that doesnt use his size at all and Cotto made shane look like a little boy in the ring. Even Steward talked about it the whole fight. He still hasnt fought a guy like Oscar, Margarito, Cintron, or Clottey who is just as big as him.

Quintana is a legitimate Welterweight. Don't say that he is and then launch into this discourse trying to slight that. He was able to hold off a massive Welterweight in Julio, so obviously the man can handle himself in the ring. Mosley is every bit the Welterweight that Oscar is.

He never has. Atleast Floyd came from 130. Whats Cotto's excuse? Floyd is always the smaller man and in most of his fights he is the much smaller man. Cotto is the exact opposite. He's always the bigger man and in most fights he is the much bigger man.

Uh, you say Floyd is always the smaller man in his fights, yet he was a big Jr. Lightweight and was the bigger man in the majority of his championship fights at that weight. Goyo Vargas, Rios, Juuko, Chavez, C. Hernandez Manfredy, etc. Since he's moved up he has been in with fighters like Gatti, Corley, Mitchell, Sosa, Bruseles, etc. Those fighters were all his size, if not smaller, coming up from lower weights. I don't see where you draw your prior conclusion from. Or you are just being hypocritical.

The #1 thing that makes him the new Golden Boy is how its mandatory that Floyd has to fight Cotto or Williams or else he is considered to be a punk but Williams calls Cotto out all day and no one ever talks about it. You never see anyone demanding that fight. I cant believe how people think its so brave for Cotto to call out Floyd but they dont think it means nothing that he doesnt want to challange Williams? What? All of those guys want to fight Floyd because of size but none of them want to fight Williams when there his size. Sure he might be a little bigger but there all still naturally close to the same size. If Floyd started at WW do you really think he would be scared to fight Williams? He wouldve fought him quick. Why wont Cotto? He never even looks his way and no one says anything. Now they say he's fighting Gomez but its ok? Everyone again takes up for him. Let Floyd call out Gomez right now and watch what happeneds. Now Cintron is calling out Cotto. We all know that Cintron isnt that great but atleast we will for the 1st time see what Cotto does against a real WW and someone his own size. Will he take it? I know it wont matter if he doesnt because the media & fans will make an excuse for it because he is the new Golden Boy. Someone find me a bad article about him because I cant. I didnt know that his resume was so great that he is Mr. Untouchable now. I didnt know he accomplished that much with his wins over Zab, Paulie, and Torres

Difference between Cotto calling out Floyd and Cotto/Williams being the extent to which these guys are established in the game. Cotto has put in work...against name opponents, prospects, and in between. He has been fighting on the championship stage for quite some time now and he has earned his shot at the top brass. Floyd is the champion and Cotto is the number 2 guy right behind him. Its not like Cotto JUST beat a title holder for the first time and started to call out Floyd. That however IS the scenario with Williams. The guy is a good fighter, and he would probably give Cotto and Floyd hell, but he could stand to fight a few more times on a high level before getting a shot at either Cotto or Floyd.

To sum up, you seem very upset that Cotto has gotten to this point. I know you'd like it if he lost so that Floyd wouldn't have to fight him, but that'd ruin a lot of the hopes that the boxing public currently holds. The most important thing, besides the money, besides all of this internet garbage talk, is that these two fight each other in the ring and prove who is the best man. As a boxing fan, you should want this like everyone else. I don't know when it became acceptable to want to throw away the best possible fights that could be made if both fighters are willing and able to compete.

**Left2body** · 01-15-2008, 01:23 AM

Oldgringo wish it let me give you Karma.......great stuff.

**ANDROID_DOES** · 01-15-2008, 01:26 AM

Then why does floyd have to fight the best fighters back to back to back to back since that what it seems you guys want. Cotto is unproven and needs to beat a williams, margarito, or citron in impressive fashion to be even considered a chance to beat floyd. Floyd faught gatti, baldi, judah, dlh, hatton. where the **** is the tune of fight of the likes of gomez in that mix?

**Left2body** · 01-15-2008, 01:33 AM

Originally posted by rogelio1289

Then why does floyd have to fight the best fighters back to back to back to back since that what it seems you guys want. Cotto is unproven and needs to beat a williams, margarito, or citron in impressive fashion to be even considered a chance to beat floyd. Floyd faught gatti, baldi, judah, dlh, hatton. where the **** is the tune of fight of the likes of gomez in that mix?

Come on are you serious? Gatti is a warm up fight if I ever saw one and all he did was bring a sluggers name and popularity. No one thought he had a chance of winning. Baldi is a solid win but its also comparable to a Gomez type of fight. Baldi is limited offensively but has a titanium chin very little risk and he was a tune up with a belt, thats why Zab faced him before he was scheduled to fight PBF.........BECAUSE Baldomir is a tune-up journeymen type fighter. Zab came in out of focus and didn't take him serious thats why he lost.

Miguel Cotto Is The New "Golden Boy"