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  • KingTito
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    how to beat mayweather

    in your opinion, how do u beat mayweather? if u were to train a fighter against mayweather, what would u have him do? it's obviously a hypothetical question, but i'm assuming u guys know ur **** about the sport, so give me some honest answers.. i was wondering this just outta curiosity
  • DiegoFuego
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    He's already beat pretty much every style that can be thrown at him. Maybe like De La Hoya, apply a little more controlled aggression, but easier said that done. I just don't think there is a style that could beat Mayweather. He'll eventually lose to a much bigger man or when he's older, but no style has really come close to beating him yet.

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    • MrFactor
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      #3
      Be Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito, Josh Clottey or any other top 6 or 7 PRIME WW...

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      • Kball15
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        #4
        Originally posted by DiegoFuego
        He's already beat pretty much every style that can be thrown at him. Maybe like De La Hoya, apply a little more controlled aggression, but easier said that done. I just don't think there is a style that could beat Mayweather. He'll eventually lose to a much bigger man or when he's older, but no style has really come close to beating him yet.
        ...except for Castillo, who beat Mayweather in their first fight according to many. Thats pretty close if you ask me, no matter which may u scored it.

        The most important tools to beat Mayweather is a stiff jab and a left hook. The jab has always given Mayweather problems but many fighters give up their jabs when they find in increasingly diffult to land anything off of it cause of the way Mayweather bounces back when he gets hit with it. But the fact is, he gets hit with a stiff jab all the time.

        And the way he holds his hands. the left hook upstairs is by far the best punch to throw cause his face is parially open. Its gotta be quick and short, maybe 8 inches.

        And you need a good straight right incase he decides to go southpaw, which he is very good at. At which point the jab becomes ineffective. Watch what Castillo did in their first fight, he did a superb job
        Last edited by Kball15; 01-14-2008, 11:48 PM.

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        • Dice
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          #5
          All those guys you mentioned Mr. Factor will get embarrassed in my opinion. Those are some talented boxers but just not at a level that will beat floyd.

          To beat Floyd Mayweather, you must cut off the ring. In my opinion, Jose Luis Castillo defeated Floyd in their first meeting. The way he cut off the ring, took away Mayweather's moving room, and picked him off with shots was the blueprint to beat Floyd.

          Castillo beat Floyd but I will accept the reasoning of Floyd winning the first fight due to a slow Castillo start.

          Castillo bought on the fight but he didn't rush it like Hatton and De La Hoya did, however, his slow start hurt his chances even tho I feel he did enough to win the fight

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          • Silencers
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            The best tool to beat Mayweather is the jab, but it can't be a flicker jab, it has to be stiff and always aim for his chest with it and apply constant pressure behind it. As KBall said, a left hook could work too, you have to be fast and short with it to catch him, if not he'll just duck under it.

            I think a right hand to the body could catch him when you're on the inside because he raises his left elbow up to create angles for his punches.

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            • KESSLER
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              #7
              Mayweather losing, is only happening in video games !

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              • Dice
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                #8
                everyone bound to lose sometime pimp juice

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                • JC Warrior
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                  DeLaHoya showed marginal success with a stiff jab, but obviously not enough discipline or stamina to keep it up. The key to beating Mayweather in my estimation has a lot of similarity to what Forrest showed beating Mosely and as much as I hate to say this John Luiz style would be a near perfect foil for Floyd. It is ugly, it is gritty, often dirty, but against Floyd I would see it being very effective.

                  Use a snapping jab to negate the speed and FFS use single jabs, maybe double jabs if you have VERY smart technique or can snap jab 1 out and can push jab 2 out before full retraction. Try to triple or throw a lazy jab and it's curtains; Floyd will turn your lights out with the counter shots.

                  Patience. Seek openings vs Floyd. He doesn't leave a ton of them but they are there. Lou Duva used to say that "turning" a fighter disrupts not only their standing power (if you can't plant your feet you can't put your weight on 'em) but it puts them out of position to throw and recover on balance. Look for the opportunities to close the gap on Floyd and turn him, tap him in the chest / solar-plexus and brace yourself for the inevitable return shots. He won't have full thunder behind them but you know Floyd is going to throw back. Give yourself the best chance at withstanding that by keeping him offbalance and not at enough distance to counter with the hard shots.

                  Outmuscling Floyd inside, not to be confused with outworking punch for punch or outsmarting trying to play headgames etc. I.e. hold a lot, squeeze his arms when you clench, roll the shoulder over center when not clinching, rough him up and PUSH him. This of course is easier said than done since Floyd himself (while not a huge puncher) is very, very strong and well conditioned.

                  Head movement. Not a little bit, a lot. Luiz had a mediocre chin when he was hit clean but he was seldom hit clean because he moved his head in an unworldly unorthadox manner. Roy Jones managed to tag Luiz several times since he was light years faster than Luiz, someone employing this ugly, unconvnetional head movement vs Mayweather needs to have obviously better reflexes than Luiz and better overall body speed.

                  Land a lucky haymaker. Not that this is something that should be a staple of training to fight Mayweather but if I recall there was about 10-15 seconds to go vs DeLaHoya and Floyd got tapped pretty good and looked very clumsy. It isn't out of the question to think he has a shaky chin and if someone landed soundly it stands to reason it would be "pretty easy" to finish "pretty boy".

                  Things NOT to do to beat Floyd:

                  Throw body punches to his oblique's / liver. With the amount of conditioning work Floyd puts in it is almost futile to try and slow him down with standard body punching. The effort you invest in going to his body in that manner will yield few dividends compared to the amount of punishment Floyd will dish out as you reach for his ribs.

                  Apply constant straight forward pressure. As fun or manly as it would be to see the fight being taken straight to Floyd it has been shown to be a foolish strategy vs his amazing talent. Hatton was surviving fine against Floyd but when he cranked up the pressure it was his undoing.

                  Do not try to trap Floyd on the ropes. He has great eyes, great reflexes and uncanny instincts. He's not as good as James Toney on the ropes but he's darn close. Keeping him there won't do a thing for you but make you tired, frustrated, and likely worse for the wear.

                  There's a "how to beat Floyd 101" the best contemporary fighter to do it in my mind already gave it the best shot he could sans the head movement and body punching and was about 7 years too late (DeLaHoya). Maybe as Floyd ages if he sticks around some not quite elite fighter will be able to pull it off.
                  Last edited by JC Warrior; 01-15-2008, 12:22 AM.

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                  • Dice
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                    #10
                    jc that was an excellent observation

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