Why's there always a "catch" to Hopkins' best wins?

[Kobe Bryant]

Well one thing you won't see is Hopkins getting tagged so easily by Joe like Kessler was.

[Shanus]

Well one thing you won't see is Hopkins getting tagged so easily by Joe like Kessler was.

Another thing I'll see is Hopkins posing much less of a threat inside the ring.

[ElGranLuchador]

Well he is 43. And Cal is like 36. That's a big difference.

yeah but lots of folks are picking hopkins to ud calzaghe which is laughable
because calzaghe is in his prime and hopkins is way pass his prime
all hopkin can do is hope the judges gift him the fight like the winky one
the winky fight was close but the scores were bs
calzaghe better take precautions so he doesnt get robbed

[kayjay]

yeah but lots of folks are picking hopkins to ud calzaghe which is laughable
because calzaghe is in his prime and hopkins is way pass his prime
all hopkin can do is hope the judges gift him the fight like the winky one
the winky fight was close but the scores were bs
calzaghe better take precautions so he doesnt get robbed

This is a very understated problem. I watched without sound and it looked pretty damn even to me. Hopkins was horrendous in that fight. he really should have retired after, and whoever beats him now is just putting the icing on the cake.

[Shanus]

yeah but lots of folks are picking hopkins to ud calzaghe which is laughable
because calzaghe is in his prime and hopkins is way pass his prime
all hopkin can do is hope the judges gift him the fight like the winky one
the winky fight was close but the scores were bs
calzaghe better take precautions so he doesnt get robbed

Calzaghe isn't in his prime, he's been a damaged fighter ever since the Reid fight because of his hands.

[ElGranLuchador]

This is a very understated problem. I watched without sound and it looked pretty damn even to me. Hopkins was horrendous in that fight. he really should have retired after, and whoever beats him now is just putting the icing on the cake.

calzaghe true opponents in the fight vs hopkins are the judges
hopefully frank warren will be smart and wont let joe get robbed

[Kobe Bryant]

Another thing I'll see is Hopkins posing much less of a threat inside the ring.

He'll pose more of a threat to win. Only thing Kessler posed was power shots. No one thought he could win a decision. Joe better dominate Hopkins he's old as ****. If he struggles with him or even loses well.......

[Shanus]

He'll pose more of a threat to win. Only thing Kessler posed was power shots. No one thought he could win a decision. Joe better dominate Hopkins he's old as ****. If he struggles with him or even loses well.......

Actually quite a few thought Kessler would win a decision, and Hopkins isn't going to be as easy as say, Jeff Lacy was.

He may be 43 but he's still got it in the tank, Joe will win though, there's no doubt about that.

[Ryn0]

The bolded is the key.

Of course you can pick apart anyone's record, but Hop's resume is questionable. The Tarver and Trinidad wins are clearly the really good ones. Forget Oscar, and the Winky fight was unimpressive all around.

He takes a back seat to:

1. Jones
2. Calzaghe
3. Toney

Those are the real greats in his weight range and generation. Hop does not belong among them.

I agree, Whenever Hopkins came up against Top opposition that same size that he was he lost. Tarver was a good win and Hopkins would give most great middleweights a good fight around his prime but Toney, Jones and Calzaghe are the greats in this era from 160-175 although we do have other boderline greats.

Benn, Eubank, Collins, Watson, and the G-man could've been a great if he career wasn't cut short. Dawson would very well join the position of greats but i think he is the next era of fighter and it's too early to tell.

[moofo]

Does anyone think if Trinidad manages to beat Jones it could make Hopkins' win over him a lot bigger? Or do people not care about that match-up at all and think it's not relevant in the least bit (kind of what I think).

If Trinidad beats fighters at a higher weight it could really water down the argument that Hopkins was too big for Tito.

No way.
Tito is fighting a shot version of Jones for starters.
And like most people Tito will have matured into a bigger guy as he ages.
Same way Floyd is fighting at 147 now.
At the time of Hopkins Tito , Tito had only just moved up in weight and didn't really have any elite wins at MW.