Will Wladimir Klitchko unify or get exposed

[Guest]

being underprepared is not an excuse, it is the REASON he lost. huge difference.

do you actually even know the story?

and corrie does have an awkward style, but corrie did not respond to wladimir's inqueries about a rematch. how many people know that?

i am not making excuses. just stating how it is.

and where the **** does this part time golfer **** come from? he was good at golf, and pondered turning pro if he retired. stop listening to the **** perpetuated by low life haters who have nothing else to do.

and corrie does have an awkward style, but corrie did not respond to wladimir's inqueries about a rematch. how many people know that?

This isn't entirely true.Read any interview with Sanders from 2004 and that's all he wanted when he wasn't deciding to retire. Then it was Wlad who was stalling. I can cite sources if you'd like.
Sanders actually still wants to fight Wlad but he only fights once a year or so, so I don't see it happening and Sanders is 42 now.

JReckoning

[BrooklynBomber]

And why would you think Frazier's style is the worst against Sanders? It's because Frazier lost to Foreman who is a puncher like Sanders (though Sanders isn't nearly as powerful or tough or good but comparable).

What people were saying was that Sanders was always a bad match-up for Klitschko. Then you see these Klitschko fans storming out and saying 'Wladimir was underprepared for that fight' and stuff like that.

I could use the same excuse for Frazier, because he was underprepared for Foreman and he was. Frazier went 5 rounds against Foreman and actually kept the fight close until being stopped when he was totally past it and blind.

I wouldn't be too sure about Sanders beating Frazier because even though Sanders is a puncher, he wasn't able to knock out Rahman who is known for having a less than stellar chin and Sanders caught Rahman with MANY clean shots in that fight. Let's not only focus on Frazier's weaknesses and forget completely about Sanders'.

Frazier, prepared and ready, could take out Sanders. A bad styles match-up doesn't mean you are automatically going to lose, Frazier fought dangerous punchers before and won, just none as dangerous as Foreman.

But the Sanders against Wlad is a tough fight for everyone because he was unknown and dangerous. If you don't take him seriously you might see your lights go out like Wlad did.

Wlad, with his suspect jaw and the fact that he does, at times, fold under the pressure would always have trouble with that Sanders.

You don't realise one important stylistic moment that will be downfall of Frazier, his main punch is a left hook which is rather ineffctive against a taller southpaw. When ashorter orthodox fighter throws left hook against a taller southpaw he is completely open for a right cross and Frazier won't be able to take many of these from Sanders(no one can, in my opinion) that coupled with his come forward style he will become a perfect target for Sanders to sniped down.

[Guest]

Yes to great fighters and champions. Not Ross Purrity, Lamon Brewster and Corrie Sanders. Those fights should be compared to the fights Ali had with Cooper, Wepner and Banks or the fight Louis had with Galento.

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You've got a guy who took one L then balooned himself into retirement as you're avatar and you talk about somebody elses....LMAO by ya godman self

Yeah my avatar is Bald Bull. Now people are going to talk about Little Mac beating me or that bum Piston Hurricance or Mike Tyson. But I laid Glass Joe out in 1 and I was champ once, so what if I couldn't take a body blow after my bull charge.

JReckoning

[TheGreatA]

I do know Sanders is a pretty bad styles match-up for Frazier in just about every way but I was trying to make a point to the people who say Sanders wasn't a bad styles match-up for Wlad, Wlad was just unprepared.

Frazier was unprepared against Foreman but that doesn't mean it wasn't a bad styles match-up, Frazier would always lose to Foreman, prepared or not. Wladimir would always have trouble with that Sanders too, prepared or not.


Sanders because of his lack of stamina and rather soft shape would be a target for Frazier's body punching but the question is can Frazier get there or would he be taken out before that.

Sanders also lacks the most effective punch against Frazier and that's the uppercut which was the only punch Frazier was ever seriously hurt with.

But I don't really care about this match-up and it's not the subject of this topic anyway. Sanders could win you're right but I think it could go the other way too. You can never count out Frazier. But as we saw against Wlad you can never count out Sanders either.

[BrooklynBomber]

I do know Sanders is a pretty bad styles match-up for Frazier in just about every way but I was trying to make a point to the people who say Sanders wasn't a bad styles match-up for Wlad, Wlad was just unprepared.

Frazier was unprepared against Foreman but that doesn't mean it wasn't a bad styles match-up, Frazier would always lose to Foreman, prepared or not. Wladimir would always have trouble with that Sanders too, prepared or not.


Sanders because of his lack of stamina and rather soft shape would be a target for Frazier's body punching but the question is can Frazier get there or would he be taken out before that.

Sanders also lacks the most effective punch against Frazier and that's the uppercut which was the only punch Frazier was ever seriously hurt with.

But I don't really care about this match-up and it's not the subject of this topic anyway. Sanders could win you're right but I think it could go the other way too.

Sanders is a bad match up for anyone, but it all comes down to being prepared for that bad match up. As in, any great fighter can have an opponent that is a stylistic nightmare for him, but it all comes down to being able to prepare properly and anticipate your opponents actions.

[j]

Being underprepared is not an excuse nor a reason.

WTF it is not an excuse or a reason? do you even know what you are talking about?

klitschko was underprepared, screwing a hoe on the side, and not concentrating on boxing despite his brother warning him to do so.

IT IS a goddamn reason. maybe you need to look up some words in the dictionary so you can follow me.

i am not saying wladimir didn't deserve to lose, or that it was anyone else's fault but his own. however, if you think that corrie sanders can beat a fully prepared, trained, wladimir klitschko, you have no credibility. none.

This isn't entirely true.Read any interview with Sanders from 2004 and that's all he wanted when he wasn't deciding to retire. Then it was Wlad who was stalling. I can cite sources if you'd like.
Sanders actually still wants to fight Wlad but he only fights once a year or so, so I don't see it happening and Sanders is 42 now.

first, you are not making sense with your first 2 sentences.

2nd, cite your sources please. they will be fun to read.

[beez721]

I agree, he was inconsistent and that's why I brought up that he was only a part-time fighter really. If Wlad's loss against Sanders can be excused because he was 'underprepared' shouldn't Sanders be for his losses as well?

In that case Vitali's win against Sanders wasn't worth anything. But that's not how it goes, you have to be objective.

Being underprepared is not an excuse nor a reason.

it all depends on how the fight went,,,how the fighter fought and how he's fought in the past. in the case of wlad vs sanders,,it appeared at least to me that wlad was pretty much just pawing with the jab and telegraphing his right hand making it easy for sanders to beat him to the punch. he's normally more consistant with the jab and quicker in shooting off his right off that jab. hard to say whether sanders just had his number or if wlad was just expecting and looking for a quick kayo over a guy who was supposed to be rusty and rarely came into a fight in shape. either way he got his ass kicked that night and it may or may not have happened if he respected sanders hand speed and power more than he appeared to. as far as sanders vs vitali goes,,,that was the usual sanders that came in soft and overweight as he did with rahman. he clearly didnt have the same reflexes he had at the lighter weight. had he came into the fight like he did with wlad just maybe he'd have finished vitali in that first round? who knows for sure. he didnt give himself much of a chance coming in at his usual 230+ lbs

[TheGreatA]

WTF it is not an excuse or a reason? do you even know what you are talking about?

klitschko was underprepared, screwing a hoe on the side, and not concentrating on boxing despite his brother warning him to do so.

IT IS a goddamn reason. maybe you need to look up some words in the dictionary so you can follow me.

i am not saying wladimir didn't deserve to lose, or that it was anyone else's fault but his own. however, if you think that corrie sanders can beat a fully prepared, trained, wladimir klitschko, you have no credibility. none.



first, you are not making sense with your first 2 sentences.

2nd, cite your sources please. they will be fun to read.

I would like to hear your sources first please, you are saying a lot of stuff not proven by anything. So Klitschko was screwing hoes and not training at all but comes into the fight as a 240 pound mountain of muscle.

Like I said it's a reason and excuse for you, but when Sanders, Kirk Johnson and Lewis come out of shape and underprepared against Vitali they aren't because you're a Klitschko fan.

Corrie Sanders would ALWAYS be trouble to Wladimir Klitschko, always. He might not beat Wladimir but he would always be trouble to him because of Wladimir's weaknesses.

[beez721]

Sanders is a bad match up for anyone, but it all comes down to being prepared for that bad match up. As in, any great fighter can have an opponent that is a stylistic nightmare for him, but it all comes down to being able to prepare properly and anticipate your opponents actions.

hes extremely dangerous in the first 3 rounds,,,espescially when he's in shape which he was maybe in 3 or 4 of his fights

[j]

what the ****......

are wrong with some of you people? when the **** is an excuse a big ****ing deal? did i say corrie cheated? no. WK lost fair and square. obviously a prepared klitschko would smoke sanders. i'm just telling you why he lost. some of you people make reasons why fighters lost out to be "cop outs." grow up. he lost. but he didn't lose because he couldn't beat sanders.

He might not beat Wladimir

yeah, and WTF have i been telling you?