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  • -Hyperion-
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    #21
    he is honestly one of the most gifted athletes ever....the problem is he lost his opportunity to build a strong legacy because of bad timing......lightweight was the division where he was more of a complete fighter, he had power, one punch KO power, speed, reflexes and boxing skills....

    the problem is when he dominated lightweight there wasnt anyone around....stevie johnston blew up his chance of a fight by losing and having to rematch juan lazcano at the moment shane decided to move up....

    after shane moved up suddenly castillo and later mayweather moved up...

    when shane clerly beat de la hoya 7 rounds to 5, all the opponents where at 154-trinidad, vargas, winky...the only men his size at 147 where not that good and kostya tszyu avoided him...thats until the man wo had his number came around...but in losing shane demostrated the desire and toughness that has defined him...he was hurt desperate and hopeless and still finished a fight that looke like it would end 6 rounds before....he came back and fought as hard as he could to earn a close decision loss in the rematch(some had him winning, i didnt)...

    but after that mosley had nowhere to go...forrest looked like he would dominate for long, there was nothing left at 147 to do so he had to chase the big fights, at 154, which absoultely ruined any boxing skills he ever had, as he adopted a one-punch at a time ****er style......he was competitive in fights against DLH(which i think DLH definatly won) and Winky and battled back as hard as he could but ultimately it was obvious his style wasnt enough to handle guys who moved up in a better fashion....and after his close second loss to winky, he kind of died down and never recovered....


    i think what ruined mosley was timing, he had very bad luck with it....he turned pro too late...he stayed at lightweight too long, he moved up to ww at a time when aside from the man he beat there was no one left, and he never shouldve moved up to 154, otherwise he couldve avanged the losses to forrest by beating mayorga, and contenders judah and spinks wouldve been easy for him.....he just had bad luck...
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      #22
      Originally posted by -Hyperion-
      he is honestly one of the most gifted athletes ever....the problem is he lost his opportunity to build a strong legacy because of bad timing......lightweight was the division where he was more of a complete fighter, he had power, one punch KO power, speed, reflexes and boxing skills....

      the problem is when he dominated lightweight there wasnt anyone around....stevie johnston blew up his chance of a fight by losing and having to rematch juan lazcano at the moment shane decided to move up....

      after shane moved up suddenly castillo and later mayweather moved up...

      when shane clerly beat de la hoya 7 rounds to 5, all the opponents where at 154-trinidad, vargas, winky...the only men his size at 147 where not that good and kostya tszyu avoided him...thats until the man wo had his number came around...but in losing shane demostrated the desire and toughness that has defined him...he was hurt desperate and hopeless and still finished a fight that looke like it would end 6 rounds before....he came back and fought as hard as he could to earn a close decision loss in the rematch(some had him winning, i didnt)...

      but after that mosley had nowhere to go...forrest looked like he would dominate for long, there was nothing left at 147 to do so he had to chase the big fights, at 154, which absoultely ruined any boxing skills he ever had, as he adopted a one-punch at a time ****er style......he was competitive in fights against DLH(which i think DLH definatly won) and Winky and battled back as hard as he could but ultimately it was obvious his style wasnt enough to handle guys who moved up in a better fashion....and after his close second loss to winky, he kind of died down and never recovered....


      i think what ruined mosley was timing, he had very bad luck with it....he turned pro too late...he stayed at lightweight too long, he moved up to ww at a time when aside from the man he beat there was no one left, and he never shouldve moved up to 154, otherwise he couldve avanged the losses to forrest by beating mayorga, and contenders judah and spinks wouldve been easy for him.....he just had bad luck...
      One thing I guess everyone will agree with me on is Mosley is one tough SOB. The shot he took from Forrest would have KO'd a lot of guys.

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        #23
        Originally posted by -Hyperion-
        he is honestly one of the most gifted athletes ever....the problem is he lost his opportunity to build a strong legacy because of bad timing......lightweight was the division where he was more of a complete fighter, he had power, one punch KO power, speed, reflexes and boxing skills....

        the problem is when he dominated lightweight there wasnt anyone around....stevie johnston blew up his chance of a fight by losing and having to rematch juan lazcano at the moment shane decided to move up....

        after shane moved up suddenly castillo and later mayweather moved up...

        when shane clerly beat de la hoya 7 rounds to 5, all the opponents where at 154-trinidad, vargas, winky...the only men his size at 147 where not that good and kostya tszyu avoided him...thats until the man wo had his number came around...but in losing shane demostrated the desire and toughness that has defined him...he was hurt desperate and hopeless and still finished a fight that looke like it would end 6 rounds before....he came back and fought as hard as he could to earn a close decision loss in the rematch(some had him winning, i didnt)...

        but after that mosley had nowhere to go...forrest looked like he would dominate for long, there was nothing left at 147 to do so he had to chase the big fights, at 154, which absoultely ruined any boxing skills he ever had, as he adopted a one-punch at a time ****er style......he was competitive in fights against DLH(which i think DLH definatly won) and Winky and battled back as hard as he could but ultimately it was obvious his style wasnt enough to handle guys who moved up in a better fashion....and after his close second loss to winky, he kind of died down and never recovered....


        i think what ruined mosley was timing, he had very bad luck with it....he turned pro too late...he stayed at lightweight too long, he moved up to ww at a time when aside from the man he beat there was no one left, and he never shouldve moved up to 154, otherwise he couldve avanged the losses to forrest by beating mayorga, and contenders judah and spinks wouldve been easy for him.....he just had bad luck...
        A lot of good points that I agree with. I'm not sure if it hurt Mosely in terms of his place in history to move up or not though. I think its fair to say that he was smart to chase the big names and the money. Although he lost his share of fights after moving up, he made his name and a **** load of fans by fighting the important fights. He could have stayed at lightweight and remained dominant, but he wouldn't have had has many big money fights. He would have likely fought Mayweather there, but who knows if he would have won. At the end of the day (as our Brit friends like to say) I don't think he made a mistake moving up when he did.

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          #24
          Originally posted by divad
          How Good is Shane Mosley's record ? fantastic fighter dont get me wrong great guy aswell ,just playing devils advocate but he has beaten a shot Vargas twice ,beaten Dela Hoya twice [2nd very debatable IMO] he has been beaten twice by Winky & Forrest

          what are your opinion's on his record ,just to make it clear he is a great fighter IMO i do not disagree with that just like to get your opinions on his overall status as a great fighter
          its better than floyds i would say........although id hate to say it

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          • -Antonio-
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            #25
            Originally posted by -Hyperion-
            he is honestly one of the most gifted athletes ever....the problem is he lost his opportunity to build a strong legacy because of bad timing......lightweight was the division where he was more of a complete fighter, he had power, one punch KO power, speed, reflexes and boxing skills....

            the problem is when he dominated lightweight there wasnt anyone around....stevie johnston blew up his chance of a fight by losing and having to rematch juan lazcano at the moment shane decided to move up....

            after shane moved up suddenly castillo and later mayweather moved up...

            when shane clerly beat de la hoya 7 rounds to 5, all the opponents where at 154-trinidad, vargas, winky...the only men his size at 147 where not that good and kostya tszyu avoided him...thats until the man wo had his number came around...but in losing shane demostrated the desire and toughness that has defined him...he was hurt desperate and hopeless and still finished a fight that looke like it would end 6 rounds before....he came back and fought as hard as he could to earn a close decision loss in the rematch(some had him winning, i didnt)...

            but after that mosley had nowhere to go...forrest looked like he would dominate for long, there was nothing left at 147 to do so he had to chase the big fights, at 154, which absoultely ruined any boxing skills he ever had, as he adopted a one-punch at a time ****er style......he was competitive in fights against DLH(which i think DLH definatly won) and Winky and battled back as hard as he could but ultimately it was obvious his style wasnt enough to handle guys who moved up in a better fashion....and after his close second loss to winky, he kind of died down and never recovered....


            i think what ruined mosley was timing, he had very bad luck with it....he turned pro too late...he stayed at lightweight too long, he moved up to ww at a time when aside from the man he beat there was no one left, and he never shouldve moved up to 154, otherwise he couldve avanged the losses to forrest by beating mayorga, and contenders judah and spinks wouldve been easy for him.....he just had bad luck...
            That's a good look at it, and although Mosely was fairly protected in his title defenses, he could have been a businessman like Hopkins and had a better legacy. AKA never face Wright or Forrest.

            He would have beaten Spinks, Judah, and Mayorga too. Matter of fact facing Wright was idiotic

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            • TopDawg
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              #26
              He has a good record overall, but I think it is a bit overrated becuase he did beat a shot Vargas and beat a De La Hoya who is known for not being able to win the big fight.

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