..OVERRATED/UNDERRATED: Who Falls Where?...

[THe TRiNiTY]

I wanna see him against Hopkins, Jones, Dawson, any 2 of those 3 will do (unless jones looks horrible against trinidad)

I cannot see Kelly Pavlik ever beating calzaghe in a fight, seriously.

I don't see him beating him, either. Nonetheless, a guy with that power is IN A FIGHT, regardless. Dawson or a decent looking Jones would be nice aswell.

I'd settle for Tarver if he beat Lacy decently. KO or something.

I think we all know now Lacy will not be a legend or "great" fighter because he's just not the same after Calazaghe, but Kessler is still in question. He still has a career in front of him, with only 1 loss to Calazghe, he can still get some big wins if he does well against some top guys.

Very true. Kessler didn't look bad, Calzaghe just looked great.

[flat1985]

I would like Joe to fight either Jones or Dawson after he beats Hopkins

[THe TRiNiTY]

I wish De La Hoya was on your list, I belive he's very overrated.

The reason he's not on the list, and the reason we disagree is because I look at his situation from a different perspective then most, I assume. I look at it like this... He's been in close to a DOZEN BIG fights. He's bound to lose half, especially is the competition is of a good quality.

Jorge Paez
John John Molina
Rafael Ruelas
Genaro Hernandez
Jesse James Leija
Julio Cesar Chavez (twice)
Miguel Angel Gonzalez
Pernell Whitaker
Hector Camacho
Ike Quartey
Felix Trinidad
Shane Mosley (twice)
Arturo Gatti
Fernando Vargas
Bernard Hopkins
Ricardo Mayorga
Floyd Mayweather Jr.


Forget about if he got robbed or if the opponent was robbed. Both scenerios happened. Forget if he was bigger or if his opponents were bigger. Both scenerios happened. Forget if some of the fighters were faded or if he was starting to fade. Both scenerios happened. Point is, he's lost to only the molded names. Those four names, you could make a case have ALL been p4p champion at one point or another. That's pretty impressive.

The general public MAY overrate him, but he's a very UNDERRATED fighter in a lot of regards. That's a VERY solid resume.

[RichCCFC]

Overrated:
Williams
Hopkins

Underrated:
Calzaghe

[THe TRiNiTY]

Overrated:
Williams
Hopkins

Underrated:
Calzaghe

If you believe Hopkins is overrated, you have to believe Calzaghe is, in a certain way.

[Parody]

If you believe Hopkins is overrated, you have to believe Calzaghe is, in a certain way.

Check the username, then reply.

[THe TRiNiTY]

Check the username, then reply.

I know Calzaghe doesn't like hearing this about himself, but it's true.

[Rane-Ex54]

The reason he's not on the list, and the reason we disagree is because I look at his situation from a different perspective then most, I assume. I look at it like this... He's been in close to a DOZEN BIG fights. He's bound to lose half, especially is the competition is of a good quality.

Jorge Paez
John John Molina
Rafael Ruelas
Genaro Hernandez
Jesse James Leija
Julio Cesar Chavez (twice)
Miguel Angel Gonzalez
Pernell Whitaker
Hector Camacho
Ike Quartey
Felix Trinidad
Shane Mosley (twice)
Arturo Gatti
Fernando Vargas
Bernard Hopkins
Ricardo Mayorga
Floyd Mayweather Jr.


Forget about if he got robbed or if the opponent was robbed. Both scenerios happened. Forget if he was bigger or if his opponents were bigger. Both scenerios happened. Forget if some of the fighters were faded or if he was starting to fade. Both scenerios happened. Point is, he's lost to only the molded names. Those four names, you could make a case have ALL been p4p champion at one point or another. That's pretty impressive.

The general public MAY overrate him, but he's a very UNDERRATED fighter in a lot of regards. That's a VERY solid resume.

True, He does have a great resume of fighters who he fought. But my issue is this, If he wasn't as adored by the public as much as he is, would he have gotten those fights? Would the judges have not given the victory over Strum to set up the bhop fight? Winning once verse Mayorga really doesn't constitute you great enough to fight p4p champ flyod mayweather, when the guy that beat you 2c (SSM) has to fight guys like Collazo (no disrespect). ODLH has lost 3 of his last 5 fights and he's probably gonna fight Cotto? It gets rediculous & part of his resume win, lose, or draw is based on money and his popularity, not his fighting skill.

[THe TRiNiTY]

True, He does have a great resume of fighters who he fought. But my issue is this, If he wasn't as adored by the public as much as he is, would he have gotten those fights? Would the judges have not given the victory over Strum to set up the bhop fight? Winning once verse Mayorga really doesn't constitute you great enough to fight p4p champ flyod mayweather, when the guy that beat you 2c (SSM) has to fight guys like Collazo (no disrespect). ODLH has lost 3 of his last 5 fights and he's probably gonna fight Cotto? It gets rediculous & part of his resume win, lose, or draw is based on money and his popularity, not his fighting skill.

I see where you're coming from. Nonetheless, it's tricky to call. With another solid win, perhaps over Cotto, his resume looks a lot different years down the line. I'm not sure if he deserves any of this. I'm not sure what he deserves. However, he DOES get the attention. Some fighters just got it like that. Can't fault him. Overrated him or underrating is all based on how you're looking at it. He's a unique case.

[Rane-Ex54]

I see where you're coming from. Nonetheless, it's tricky to call. With another solid win, perhaps over Cotto, his resume looks a lot different years down the line. I'm not sure if he deserves any of this. I'm not sure what he deserves. However, he DOES get the attention. Some fighters just got it like that. Can't fault him. Overrated him or underrating is all based on how you're looking at it. He's a unique case.

Ill agree with that, its tough to call & can be seen in many diff ways. I just hope if Cotto beats his a$$ he retires for good.