..OVERRATED/UNDERRATED: Who Falls Where?...

Collapse
Collapse
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • THe TRiNiTY
    Sugar-Will O'-Hurricane
    Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
    • Dec 2006
    • 10079
    • 405
    • 103
    • 17,986

    #1

    ..OVERRATED/UNDERRATED: Who Falls Where?...

    There are a lot of fighters that come to mind when I think of them being overrated. A lot when I think of boxers who are underrated. Then there are some that, I believe, people are confused about. That list, I happen to think, includes the following five boxers;

    Bernard Hopkins
    Joe Calzaghe
    Paul Williams
    Ricky Hatton
    Antonio Margarito

    Keep in mind, this is only my humble opinion, and it's based on the feeling I get from readers of this site, and this site only. Relatively speaking, of course.

    BERNARD HOPKINS
    EVIDENCE:
    He reigned as undisputed middleweight champion for roughly a decade. Controlled all the major titles and then some. He beat decent opposition in Antwun Echols, Robert Allen, Syd Vanderpool, William Joppy and Howard Eastman. He also beat both major challengers who stepped up in De La Hoya and Felix Trinidad. Glen Johnson is also a noticeable win. His only notable losses, disregarding the debut loss at the hands of a no-namer, are to Jones and Jermain Taylor, twice. Both atleast slightly disputed. He then moved up and beat Tarver for the TRUE world Lightheavyweight title and defended against the under-sized, but slick Winky Wright. Is set to face the true Super Middleweight champion in his upcoming megafight. Made 20 successful defenses of his Middleweight title.

    VERDICT: Unless you're someone calling him the BEST middleweight of all time, it's hard to overrate him. No matter how hard to try to angle it, it's hard to call that OVERRATED. He has had a GREAT career.

    JOE CALZAGHE
    EVIDENCE:
    Has had 20 PLUS defenses of his title at SMW. Is recognized as the true champion at 168. Undefeated since becoming a pro. Has wins over the likes of Chris Eubanks, Robin Reid, Omar Sheika, Sakio Bika, Jeff Lacy, Peter Manfredo and Mikkel Kessler. In fights with his best opposition, he seems to shine the brightest. Losing, at the MOST a combined 6 rounds in all three fights with Lacy, Manfredo and Kessler. Will be moving up to face TRUE LHW champion in Bernard Hopkins.

    VERDICT: Hard, once again to overrate someone with those qualifications. Both he and Hopkins, essentially get the same wrap. Sometimes, it's not who you're doing the damage to, though. It's how well you do it. Both he and Hopkins box, WONDERFULLY. And they have for EXTENDED periods of time.

    PAUL WILLIAMS
    EVIDENCE:
    Truly his only notable wins come over Sharmba Mitchell and Antonio Margarito. One fighter, slightly faded and the other with his own reputation in question. He, nonetheless handled both well and even managed to stop Mitchell, a durable fighter. Has a portion of the welterweight title, though lacks the TRUE title. Has remained undefeated as a pro.

    VERDICT: With the type of praise he gets, I'd consider him a BIT overrated. He has a great jab/overall offense. Nonetheless, he has lapses in his defense, is susceptible to a solid, sustained body attack and can get a bit lazy with his jab. He's also not beaten enough name fighters to have some claiming, he'll be the number one fighter in the world. Some making claims that he'd dominate the p4p champion. It's a bit early to claim it. Could happen, but it's still a bit early. I like the guy, I'm just saying.

    RICKY HATTON
    EVIDENCE:
    Has one loss, coming at the hands of the p4p best fighter in the world, Floyd Mayweather. Otherwise, has gone on to beat Vince Phillips, Ben Tackie, Carlos Maussa, Luis Collazo, and Jose Luis Castillo. He also has a career-defining win in beating Kostya Tszyu, who had reigned as UNIFIED, UNDISPUTED 140 pound champion for a rather long time. Handed him a stoppage defeat, in front of a sellout crowd in the M.E.N. Arena. 42 fights before tasting defeat.

    VERDICT: He's a hard call. It depends on the fan you're asking. You ask one of his die-hard fans, then yes he is overrated. If you ask a normal fan, who is neither a hater, nor a nuthugger and you'll get the truth. He's a very solid, above-average fighter with a lot of will and heart. He can beat a lot of top 140 pounders, STILL, after his lone defeat.

    ANTONIO MARGARITO
    EVIDENCE:
    Three of his losses came relativelt early in his career, before he buckled down and stay commited to the sport. Had a stretch of 20 wins before losing his 4th fight due to a cut caused by a headbutt. Last loss was to Paul Williams. Has wins over Andrew Lewis, Kermit Cintron, Joshua Clottey and Golden Johnson. Held a piece of the welterweight title for close to 10 fights. (His second-to-last loss was at 154 to Santos, involving the cut situation.)

    VERDICT: Honestly, he is overrated. Due to two major things. For one, he has fans but his numbers are limited. His fans are diehard and rabid. When only a select group focuses on you and tries to show you the attention they feel you deserve, they tend to go a bit overboard. Secondly, he's not often given the chances that he deserves. Because even with 5 losses, he's a challenge for anyone at 147. If he and Cotto get by their next challenges, we'll see where he truly belongs.

    There are plenty more I could get into. De La Hoya, Mayweather, Cotto, Pavlik, Taylor. But I wont. For one reason or another. Some are just foolish to question, some are going to SOONER rather then later shed more light on the issue then I could. Nonetheless; discuss, disagree, debate.
  • Rane-Ex54
    Interim Champion
    Gold Champion - 500-1,000 posts
    • May 2006
    • 934
    • 34
    • 8
    • 7,276

    #2
    I agree with most of your list, especially Bhop & Calzaghe. I see alot of hate from people on this forum about both of those guys, when they are both legends in there own right.

    Williams is kind of a sticky situation. I think he's slightly overrated but its warrented because of his freakish size and potential. I think his win over Margs was very impressive though. It showed how he can netralize strong come at you guys. I think another reason why alot of people, incuding myself, overrate him abit, is because he doesn't get much media/press. Liek seriouslly go on youtube & type his name in. Only like1 or 2 videos come up. Cintron is clearly avoiding him too. I think he needs to be tested by some speedy welters and see how he handles it, if he succeeds then I'll be totally convinced that he might be able to beat any welter.
    Last edited by Rane-Ex54; 01-03-2008, 08:23 AM.

    Comment

    • Technical_Skill
      Into The Deep
      Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
      • Apr 2007
      • 5736
      • 523
      • 219
      • 12,694

      #3
      Originally posted by C-Drone
      JOE CALZAGHE
      EVIDENCE:
      Has had 20 PLUS defenses of his title at SMW. Is recognized as the true champion at 168. Undefeated since becoming a pro. Has wins over the likes of Chris Eubanks, Robin Reid, Omar Sheika, Sakio Bika, Jeff Lacy, Peter Manfredo and Mikkel Kessler. In fights with his best opposition, he seems to shine the brightest. Losing, at the MOST a combined 6 rounds in all three fights with Lacy, Manfredo and Kessler. Will be moving up to face TRUE LHW champion in Bernard Hopkins.
      This is pretty much correct, but the reason people think calzaghe is overrated, is that some people on this forum claim he is p4p 1/2 right now, when in all honesty, he has faced about 3/4 legitmate threats in 10 years.

      Comment

      • THe TRiNiTY
        Sugar-Will O'-Hurricane
        Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
        • Dec 2006
        • 10079
        • 405
        • 103
        • 17,986

        #4
        Originally posted by Technical_Skill
        This is pretty much correct, but the reason people think calzaghe is overrated, is that some people on this forum claim he is p4p 1/2 right now, when in all honesty, he has faced about 3/4 legitmate threats in 10 years.

        Don't get me wrong, I understand that some of the argument on Calzaghe being sheltered/protected/hesitant is a BIT correct. But to say that he is OVERRATED is still a stretch. I get what you're saying, though.

        Comment

        • THe TRiNiTY
          Sugar-Will O'-Hurricane
          Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
          • Dec 2006
          • 10079
          • 405
          • 103
          • 17,986

          #5
          Originally posted by Rane-Ex54
          I agree with most of your list, especially Bhop & Calzaghe. I see alot of hate from people on this forum about both of those guys, when they are both legends in there own right.

          Williams is kind of a sticky situation. I think he's slightly overrated but its warrented because of his freakish size and potential. I think his win over Margs was very impressive though. It showed how he can netralize strong come at you guys. I think another reason why alot of people, incuding myself, overrate him abit, is because he doesn't get much media/press. Liek seriouslly go on youtube & type his name in. Only like1 or 2 videos come up. Cintron is clearly avoiding him too. I think he needs to be tested by some speedy welters and see how he handles it, if he succeeds then I'll be totally convinced that he might be able to beat any welter.
          Yeah, don't get me wrong, I actually like all the guys I listed. Williams and Margarito included. I'm just saying that both have a ways to go before they TRULY deserve some of the praise they are receiving from some.

          Comment

          • Technical_Skill
            Into The Deep
            Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
            • Apr 2007
            • 5736
            • 523
            • 219
            • 12,694

            #6
            Originally posted by C-Drone
            Don't get me wrong, I understand that some of the argument on Calzaghe being sheltered/protected/hesitant is a BIT correct. But to say that he is OVERRATED is still a stretch. I get what you're saying, though.
            He is overrated by his fans and people in UK, but he is world class, i cant lie about that, to me he is not a legend though, if he beats hopkins and one more top fighter after that, ill reconsider, but i said this before the fight and im saying it now, Kessler was by no means a legend, an elite or a extraordinary fighter, Nor was Lacy.

            Comment

            • THe TRiNiTY
              Sugar-Will O'-Hurricane
              Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
              • Dec 2006
              • 10079
              • 405
              • 103
              • 17,986

              #7
              Originally posted by Technical_Skill
              He is overrated by his fans and people in UK, but he is world class, i cant lie about that, to me he is not a legend though, if he beats hopkins and one more top fighter after that, ill reconsider, but i said this before the fight and im saying it now, Kessler was by no means a legend, an elite or a extraordinary fighter, Nor was Lacy.
              Well, Calzaghe has shown that he is, in SOME ways a late blooming fighter, so he has a reasonable chance at changin your mind. Your open-mindedness, regardless, is refreshing.

              If he got passed Hopkins and beat the winner of Pavlik/Taylor, I'd be VERY impressed. And it's possible.

              Comment

              • Technical_Skill
                Into The Deep
                Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
                • Apr 2007
                • 5736
                • 523
                • 219
                • 12,694

                #8
                Originally posted by C-Drone
                Well, Calzaghe has shown that he is, in SOME ways a late blooming fighter, so he has a reasonable chance at changin your mind. Your open-mindedness, regardless, is refreshing.

                If he got passed Hopkins and beat the winner of Pavlik/Taylor, I'd be VERY impressed. And it's possible.
                I wanna see him against Hopkins, Jones, Dawson, any 2 of those 3 will do (unless jones looks horrible against trinidad)

                I cannot see Kelly Pavlik ever beating calzaghe in a fight, seriously.

                Comment

                • Rane-Ex54
                  Interim Champion
                  Gold Champion - 500-1,000 posts
                  • May 2006
                  • 934
                  • 34
                  • 8
                  • 7,276

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Technical_Skill
                  He is overrated by his fans and people in UK, but he is world class, i cant lie about that, to me he is not a legend though, if he beats hopkins and one more top fighter after that, ill reconsider, but i said this before the fight and im saying it now, Kessler was by no means a legend, an elite or a extraordinary fighter, Nor was Lacy.
                  I think we all know now Lacy will not be a legend or "great" fighter because he's just not the same after Calazaghe, but Kessler is still in question. He still has a career in front of him, with only 1 loss to Calazghe, he can still get some big wins if he does well against some top guys.

                  Comment

                  • Rane-Ex54
                    Interim Champion
                    Gold Champion - 500-1,000 posts
                    • May 2006
                    • 934
                    • 34
                    • 8
                    • 7,276

                    #10
                    I wish De La Hoya was on your list, I belive he's very overrated.
                    Last edited by Rane-Ex54; 01-03-2008, 08:36 AM.

                    Comment

                    Working...
                    TOP