Prime Mike Tyson vs Todays Heavyweights

[Benny Leonard]

People forget something, Tyson (in his prime and we will make sure we know he went to **** when he stopped training and left Rooney...), needed his opponents to throw punches. Tyson could be an offensive force, but when you watch his fights you notice he is great at offensive countering, which is to charge, hope the fighter throws back, leaving an opening, where you can counter and land.

It's when his opponents stopped throwing and decided to clinch, Mike got frustrated and started to cave, accepted the clinch fest, something I'm sure the Klits and Lewis would have tried to do on the smaller Tyson, which could work and put the fight in their favor.

However, it was Rooney that smacked him when he came back to the corner and told him what to do. You can see this in the Tucker fight. This is also the fight where Rooney had to keep on Tyson to jab, and when he did, Mike out-jabbed the 6’5, 82 inch reach fighter, who was fast himself.

Also, Wlad and Vitali are tall and heavy, and when pressured, the gas in their tank goes out faster. Tyson (when he was with Rooney) loved to body attack, breaking down his opponents. Remember the first Brewster fight, well, go look at some of the shots Brewster was landing, it was to the body. A combination of Wlad’s punch-out-put and not defending the body, led him to basically hyperventilate. If you look at the second fight, you notice Wlad changed it up and stuck his arm around his body when in close to prevent Brew from landing body punches again…very smart on Wlad’s part which is also why we should hold off and see where Wlad goes from here with Manny in his corner. Wlad is jabbing people to death now…some crazy ****.

Now, Klitclub get worked up, Wlad’s jab is great, but when you jabbed Tyson, the midget ended up being able to jab back because of his timing and speed, plus, he could get under the uppercut and leap up and land the hook, let alone body shots. Wlad would need to jab and use the right uppercut to try to get Tyson out of there when he did this, but it would still leave him open if Tyson times it right, and remember, Tyson’s chin is very good.

Vitali, underrated by some on these boards and could do well, but another case where I’m not sold on the big man. It could stop on cuts as well.


Wlad also doesn't seem to like fighters that come right at him, which probably makes his hear race, another reason his stamina burns out fast. Manny might be helping so once again, I may alter this with some time. Notice Manny is also very calm when he is with Wlad in the corner...he wants his heart to be in ease.



Out of all the big men, prime Lewis is my man to beat Tyson.

[Benny Leonard]

2007 Wladimir Klitschko picks the mentally weak Tyson apart...Wlad by KO

Wlad has fallen apart as well. Tyson strength and I've always said this is a knock on him, was based on who was around him, which others before me have said. When he was with the Catskill team, Tyson thrived off them, but when he left, he was in a world of **** and confusion.


For his stamina, for the other poster, you cannot fight as intense/hard as Tyson did for an entire fight, which is why he eased up on the gas after he found he couldn't get the KO early, but by that point, the opponent had already taken damage and might have enough fear in his body to not open up himself, instead, clinch for your life. But if you open up on him, he opens right back up, which is why we saw some fighter test him later on in the fight, but then found out it's better to survive, so they clinched again.


Tyson's not invincible however and I don't think he was completely tested when he was with Rooney nor did he ever reach his prime, but that is something else.

[MELLY-MEL...]

Wlad has fallen apart as well. Tyson strength and I've always said this is a knock on him, was based on who was around him, which others before me have said. When he was with the Catskill team, Tyson thrived off them, but when he left, he was in a world of **** and confusion.


For his stamina, for the other poster, you cannot fight as intense/hard as Tyson did for an entire fight, which is why he eased up on the gas after he found he couldn't get the KO early, but by that point, the opponent had already taken damage and might have enough fear in his body to not open up himself, instead, clinch for your life. But if you open up on him, he opens right back up, which is why we saw some fighter test him later on in the fight, but then found out it's better to survive, so they clinched again.


Tyson's not invincible however and I don't think he was completely tested when he was with Rooney nor did he ever reach his prime, but that is something else.

yeah, if tyson would have kept his head on str8 he may have continued his dominance, and became even better! and that my friends would be ****ing scary!

[Scott9945]

Tony Tucker's record when he fought Tyson was impressive, 35-0, and he was a world champ. However, if you look at the record of some of the guys Tony fought
0-15-0
0-5-1
0-3-0
2-5-0
3-17-0
9-26-0
11-31-2
13-25-2
13-30-2
9-9-2 (7 losses in a row, 5 by KO/TKO, in Tony's 33rd fight !!)
7-8-0
14-14-0
0-0-0 3 of them
etc

Tony won a vacant belt by beating a decent clubfighter named Buster Douglas and lost the belt in his first defence against Mike. He failed in his next 3 attempts at a title, one a 2nd rd TKO loss to Herbie Hide. Let's not act like Tony Tucker was more than he was.

Well first of all, good research on all that. My point was that Tucker (or maybe Ruddock) was the best of the big guys that Mike beat. That might say something about Tyson's overrated title reign. As for Douglas being a clubfighter (with wins over McCall and Page he was better than that), he obviously possessed what it took to defeat Mike Tyson.

[Tyson2k7]

We din't get to see Mike Tyson at his full peak for obvious reasons.

[Scott9945]

We din't get to see Mike Tyson at his full peak for obvious reasons.

Tyson was already on the downslide when he went to prison, assuming that is what you meant.

[Benny Leonard]

Tyson was already on the downslide when he went to prison, assuming that is what you meant.

The Slide started with D'amato...Jacobs...Robin, media/boxing pressure...then rolled off the cliff with King.

This is why I always look at the entire picture and not just Wins and losses inside the ring.

I want to know what is going on with the person in his outside life, which is also why I put Tyson on the list with Darryl Strawberry and Doc Gooden.



So much can happen in a fight between Tyson vs. Lewis...Wlad...and Vitali.

Take Tyson vs. Lewis/Wlad. Maybe they can outbox Tyson, which I'm not betting on, for most of the fight, but because of their chin, like Ray did to Hearns, it could change a fight around with one solid punch.

Even though Lewis had a nice jab, I wish it were even better, like Holmes's jab...fast, sharp and accurate. Lewis, because of his size and feet size, also had trouble with balance at times, but Lewis did well anyway.

Lewis's uppercut is also incredible and the uppercuts he was landing on Tyson, which one hurt him as soon as the first round, are brutal. But also remember that landing on that Tyson, who was a shell of himself and a heavy pot smoker vs. the younger Tyson is different. Even Ruddock found it hard to land his "smash" on Tyson. You could see Tyson able to avoid the uppercuts repeatedly, and this is from a fighter that didn’t quite have the head movement he used to.

Everybody has flaws, it's about exposing those flaws.

Lewis is still my pick since he, unlike Wlad and Vitali, seems to be much better at dealing with pressure inside the ring. Lewis is one smart Ring-General.

I just don't see a young Tyson getting knocked out. His chin was to good combined with his head movement, doesn't favor a knockout loss. Lewis might beat him on points.

[Parody]

The Slide started with D'amato...Jacobs...Robin, media/boxing pressure...then rolled off the cliff with King.

This is why I always look at the entire picture and not just Wins and losses inside the ring.

I want to know what is going on with the person in his outside life, which is also why I put Tyson on the list with Darryl Strawberry and Doc Gooden.



So much can happen in a fight between Tyson vs. Lewis...Wlad...and Vitali.

Take Tyson vs. Lewis/Wlad. Maybe they can outbox Tyson, which I'm not betting on, for most of the fight, but because of their chin, like Ray did to Hearns, it could change a fight around with one solid punch.

Even though Lewis had a nice jab, I wish it were even better, like Holmes's jab...fast, sharp and accurate. Lewis, because of his size and feet size, also had trouble with balance at times, but Lewis did well anyway.

Lewis's uppercut is also incredible and the uppercuts he was landing on Tyson, which one hurt him as soon as the first round, are brutal. But also remember that landing on that Tyson, who was a shell of himself and a heavy pot smoker vs. the younger Tyson is different. Even Ruddock found it hard to land his "smash" on Tyson. You could see Tyson able to avoid the uppercuts repeatedly, and this is from a fighter that didn’t quite have the head movement he used to.

Everybody has flaws, it's about exposing those flaws.

Lewis is still my pick since he, unlike Wlad and Vitali, seems to be much better at dealing with pressure inside the ring. Lewis is one smart Ring-General.

I just don't see a young Tyson getting knocked out. His chin was to good combined with his head movement, doesn't favor a knockout loss. Lewis might beat him on points.

Excellent post.

[robjr]

Tyson KOs them allllllll