Prime Mike Tyson vs Todays Heavyweights

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  • Parody
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    #11
    Originally posted by Welter_Skelter
    Any of them who could last the first 3-4 rounds could beat him....

    Judging by the fact you have NO early KO's in your predictions.. which is when the BULK of Tyson's KO's happened.. I would have to say ALL of them...
    But of course That would be silly...

    But Tyson faded after that initial onslaught..

    For example.. Against Wlad.. I would predict.. Either a Tyson KO Rounds 1-3..

    Or a Wlad KO rounds 6-9...
    This is the 80's version of Tyson man when he could do the same thing for 12 rounds. He was an animal back then for every 3 minute of each round. he faded later in his career due to out of ring problems and many other things surrounding his personal life.
    Last edited by Parody; 12-31-2007, 09:29 AM.

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    • Ironside
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      #12
      Originally posted by Parody
      Vitali was'nt in the list

      and you are forgetting Tyson had a good defense.
      Oh my bad, Mistook W.Klit for V.Klit. Yea I know Tyson was pretty hard to hit, but when he did get hit, he would sometimes stumble a little bit and it would stop his rhythm, Vitali would surely take advantage of that. You have to remember, he's 6'8 240-250 pounds, I don't think anyone in Tyson's prime can come real close to that.

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      • Welter_Skelter
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        #13
        Originally posted by Parody
        This is the 80's version of Tyson man when he could do the same thing for 12 rounds. He was an animal back then for every 3 minute of each round. he faded later in his career due to out of ring problems and many other things surrounding his personal life.
        Well Mike Tyson was 37-0 when he Fought Buster Douglas.. and still in his "prime"

        He had 29 KO's within 4 rounds
        4 more by the 7th

        and 4 descions against
        James Tills-31-8-0
        Mitch Green-16-1-1
        James Smith-19-5-0
        Tony Tucker-35-0-0

        So we can conclude.. That he would KO you early... Or You had a chance..

        Now those 4 guys who decisioned him.. WHO are they?? Jouneymmen? Those are Jouneymen Records in a somewhat weak ERA.. as weak as Today's I would say.. I dont know about the Other 2 .. But James Smith was like a Jameel McCline with a Chin.. and nothing more..
        Tony Tucker.. was on Par with Calvin Brock

        Douglas.. LOL he was a what?? He fought Nobody.. and even lost to the Guys that Tyson Couldn't KO.. Like Tony Tucker..

        I think You see my point.. Tyson was a Killing Machine.. But Not unbeatable.. and Might not do as well today if peaking as some suggest..

        He did lose almost every "BIG" fight of his life..

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        • Dynamite Kid
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          #14
          Originally posted by Welter_Skelter
          Well Mike Tyson was 37-0 when he Fought Buster Douglas.. and still in his "prime"

          He had 29 KO's within 4 rounds
          4 more by the 7th

          and 4 descions against
          James Tills-31-8-0
          Mitch Green-16-1-1
          James Smith-19-5-0
          Tony Tucker-35-0-0

          So we can conclude.. That he would KO you early... Or You had a chance..

          Now those 4 guys who decisioned him.. WHO are they?? Jouneymmen? Those are Jouneymen Records in a somewhat weak ERA.. as weak as Today's I would say.. I dont know about the Other 2 .. But James Smith was like a Jameel McCline with a Chin.. and nothing more..
          Tony Tucker.. was on Par with Calvin Brock

          Douglas.. LOL he was a what?? He fought Nobody.. and even lost to the Guys that Tyson Couldn't KO.. Like Tony Tucker..

          I think You see my point.. Tyson was a Killing Machine.. But Not unbeatable.. and Might not do as well today if peaking as some suggest..

          He did lose almost every "BIG" fight of his life..
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          Tyson by no means unbeatable i agree 100%

          however Bonecrusher Smith & Toney Tucker only went the distance cause they held Tyson all night long ,as for Dougals he was beating Tucker untill he quit & the Douglas that faced Mike Tyson would have beaten Toney Tucker on his best night anyway IMO

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          • bishop2006
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            #15
            A prime Tyson,would probably KO all of todays heavyweights,no way do they stand up to the punches,they aint even CONDITIONED as well as Tyson was,only Wlad is,and his chin wouldent hold up,especially the way he pit pats the jab,Tyson would bob his way thru it and find the chin

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            • Welter_Skelter
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              #16
              Originally posted by divad
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              Tyson by no means unbeatable i agree 100%

              however Bonecrusher Smith & Toney Tucker only went the distance cause they held Tyson all night long ,as for Dougals he was beating Tucker untill he quit & the Douglas that faced Mike Tyson would have beaten Toney Tucker on his best night anyway IMO
              I agree.. but my Point was simply... he KO'd you early.. or you had a chance of going the disatnce.. or even beating him..
              In fact he NEVER in his WHOLE pro career.. Had a KO win after the 7th round

              He was always a fader.. and susceptable to lose to anyone who could survive that Intial onslaught..

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                #17
                Originally posted by Welter_Skelter
                I agree.. but my Point was simply... he KO'd you early.. or you had a chance of going the disatnce.. or even beating him..
                In fact he NEVER in his WHOLE pro career.. Had a KO win after the 7th round

                He was always a fader.. and susceptable to lose to anyone who could survive that Intial onslaught..
                oh yeah i agree he was definetly a front runner who IMO did 'nt have the heart of a champion i think that is why he failed to live upto the hype

                when u asked questions of him he came up with the wrong aswers just as all bullies do

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                • Panamaniac
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                  #18
                  Prime Tyson would wipe the canvas with all of today's heavyweights.

                  End of thread.

                  Oh, one more thing: Mike Tyson is the last of the great heavyweights.

                  Now, end of thread.
                  Last edited by Panamaniac; 12-31-2007, 10:34 AM.

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                  • Boxingwizard
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                    #19
                    Well Mike Tyson was 37-0 when he Fought Buster Douglas.. and still in his "prime"
                    The problem with Tyson after he left Rooney was that his training habits began to deteriorate, on top of that Rooney knew Tyson in and out and had great ring advice. Guy's like Ronnie Shields and Freddie Roach don't know Tyson's style, they didn't know how to work Tyson in and out to get him mentally prepared for fights. Watch the Frank Bruno fight and then compare it the one with Spinks or any of his past fights, there is a difference.

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                    • TheGreatA
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                      #20
                      Why would you predict Tyson knocking them out so late in the fight when he usually didn't knock anyone out after the first 4 or 5 rounds?

                      The good thing about a prime Tyson was that even after the initial onslaught he could still outbox you and win the decision.

                      Someone like Wlad who could outbox him doesn't have the durability and defense to withstand Tyson's onslaught and someone like Peter or Chagaev who could take Tyson's punch doesn't have enough technique/size to outbox Tyson.

                      If Wlad had Vitali's chin he could beat Tyson.

                      I think Wlad would go in the first 4 rounds like he did against Sanders.
                      Peter would get caught by an uppercut and go down numerous times but survive the distance unless the referee stops it.
                      If Chagaev could take Tyson's best shot he would give Tyson some trouble but wouldn't be able to keep Tyson off him.
                      Last edited by TheGreatA; 12-31-2007, 10:51 AM.

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