Skelton: "I'm Bringing Chagaev's Title Home"

[Tobi.G]

its pretty straightforward,

whoever wins, a sloppy fighter still holds a title, because the division is weak.

let me know if you need any other simple points explaining in the future.

Do you mean Chagaev is a sloppy fighter? Hes not great, but not bad too. Hes clearly better than Ibragimov.

[Dynamite Kid]

Skelton wont win unless he is planning to love him to death like he did against Sprott

[kayjay]

not a bad point,

but i DO think skelton is a bad fighter, regardless of 'changes in technique'

as for chagaev, i don't think anybody would exactly call him exciting, or amazingly technical.

its pretty common knowledge that the heavyweight division isn't at its best at the minute, for a number of reasons.

You're crazy. Chagaev is a great boxer. He's clean as ****, a great counterpuncher with good power and the full punch-arsenal. He's got a great jab, he can't be hit with rights from the outside, he's strong, he goes to the body, his handspeed is good, his amateur career was first class, and he's taken on tough oppoenents in his short career.

[K-Nan]

You're crazy. Chagaev is a great boxer. He's clean as ****, a great counterpuncher with good power and the full punch-arsenal. He's got a great jab, he can't be hit with rights from the outside, he's strong, he goes to the body, his handspeed is good, his amateur career was first class, and he's taken on tough oppoenents in his short career.

Rank your top 5 HWs for me, KJ. If you don't mind.

[kayjay]

It's hard, Kaynan, because no one strings together enough good wins.

But here:

1. Wlad: six or seven straight solid wins
2. Chagaev: he beat tough opponents, Virchis, Ruiz, Valuev. That's not a legendary list but all three are difficult for various reasons.
3. Peter: so the Toney wins look less impressive in retrospect, and maybe his chin is not what was advertized. The burden of proof has shifted on him, for me.
4. Povetkin: he's got limitations, but he hasn't lost a round in dispatching Donald and Byrd. He might not lose one against Chambers.
5. Ibragimov: he made both Briggs and Holy look slow, but they really are. I'm not sold on him, but he brings the Mayweather style to HW, which is interesting in itself.

Others:
Thompson: looks good, but he hasn't faced a top guy just yet
Maskaev: great KO of Rahman, but c'mon that's alomst 18 months ago now.
Vitali: moves to number 2 anytime he actually fights
Virchis: I need to see more but boxing2005 puts him equal with Chagaev
Chambers: a win over Brock counts for something
Byrd: so he lost to the top two offensive fighters in the division, both of whom are much bigger than him; I don't count him out until someone else beats him (kind of like with Oscar)

[K-Nan]

It's hard, Kaynan, because no one strings together enough good wins.

But here:

1. Wlad: six or seven straight solid wins
2. Chagaev: he beat tough opponents, Virchis, Ruiz, Valuev. That's not a legendary list but all three are difficult for various reasons.
3. Peter: so the Toney wins look less impressive in retrospect, and maybe his chin is not what was advertized. The burden of proof has shifted on him, for me.
4. Povetkin: he's got limitations, but he hasn't lost a round in dispatching Donald and Byrd. He might not lose one against Chambers.
5. Ibragimov: he made both Briggs and Holy look slow, but they really are. I'm not sold on him, but he brings the Mayweather style to HW, which is interesting in itself.

Others:
Thompson: looks good, but he hasn't faced a top guy just yet
Maskaev: great KO of Rahman, but c'mon that's alomst 18 months ago now.
Vitali: moves to number 2 anytime he actually fights
Virchis: I need to see more but boxing2005 puts him equal with Chagaev
Chambers: a win over Brock counts for something
Byrd: so he lost to the top two offensive fighters in the division, both of whom are much bigger than him; I don't count him out until someone else beats him (kind of like with Oscar)

With Peter: Doesn't the way that he made it highly competitive with Wlad mean something?

Also: Shouldn't Povetkin beat Chambers before being higher than Ibragimov? Or are you just not that sold on Sultan?

[kayjay]

With Peter: Doesn't the way that he made it highly competitive with Wlad mean something?

Also: Shouldn't Povetkin beat Chambers before being higher than Ibragimov? Or are you just not that sold on Sultan?

Yeah that's what keeps Peter at the top. I don't care what other Wlad-defenders say, Peter was Wlad's toughest non-loss.

Povetkin or Ibragimov? Well Iggy has the title, but he has only beaten Briggs and an aged Holyfield. I think Povetkin's wins against Donald and especially Byrd, considering how convincing, are more impressive.

[Jim Jeffries]

With Peter: Doesn't the way that he made it highly competitive with Wlad mean something?

Also: Shouldn't Povetkin beat Chambers before being higher than Ibragimov? Or are you just not that sold on Sultan?

The first two knockdowns in the Peter/Wlad fight, Peter grabs him and wrestles him, then rabbit punches him in the back of the head. Other than that, Wlad won virtually every round, and in the last round figured out Peter's weakness for left hooks (he had been eating nice straight rights all night.) Not "highly competitive" at all.

[K-Nan]

Yeah that's what keeps Peter at the top. I don't care what other Wlad-defenders say, Peter was Wlad's toughest non-loss.

Povetkin or Ibragimov? Well Iggy has the title, but he has only beaten Briggs and an aged Holyfield. I think Povetkin's wins against Donald and especially Byrd, considering how convincing, are more impressive.

Good assesment.

I'm most excited to see Peter and Povetkin's next fights.

[dansapien]

You're crazy. Chagaev is a great boxer. He's clean as ****, a great counterpuncher with good power and the full punch-arsenal. He's got a great jab, he can't be hit with rights from the outside, he's strong, he goes to the body, his handspeed is good, his amateur career was first class, and he's taken on tough oppoenents in his short career.

he's got some ability, i wont argue that, but to be honest i really cant see why anybody would call him GREAT.