best finisher ever

[Sweet Pete]

Griffith was old and past his best weightclass. He barely won a match after that fight. But the fact that he could still hang with Monzon at that point shows how good a fighter he was.

Agreed. Still though, let's not take all credit away from Monzon, as he stopped a closer to prime Griffith anyway, so it's not like a prime Griffith would've done much better, if any.

Griffith was an awesome fighter though.

[K-Nan]

Griffith was old and past his best weightclass. He barely won a match after that fight. But the fact that he could still hang with Monzon at that point shows how good a fighter he was.

Size of best opponents being why I rank Monzon below Hagler.

[THE REAL NINJA]

He was 35 and 33.

[Azteca]

Griffith was old and past his best weightclass. He barely won a match after that fight. But the fact that he could still hang with Monzon at that point shows how good a fighter he was.

It was probably that one last magical moment that every great fighter has. Where the fighter performs like he did in his prime even though he by all means should be totally past it. Or something like that. Or maybe it was Monzon who could've had some problems at the time. Don't know.

maybe monzon came in overconfident.

Either way, I had Griffith stretching him and winning a close one on the cards.

There was rumours of foul play about the bout, too.

Peetie, you didn't know that??

[Sweet Pete]

Size of best opponents being why I rank Monzon below Hagler.

Hagler fighting Leonard, Duran, and Hearns(all smaller fighters) is better?

They both fought smaller guys, and Hagler even managed to lose to one of them(though disputable, and his smaller opponents are probably just a tad better), but Monzon undoubtedly beat the better fulltime MW's.

[Sweet Pete]

maybe monzon came in overconfident.

Either way, I had Griffith stretching him and winning a close one on the cards.

There was rumours of foul play about the bout, too.

Peetie, you didn't know that??

I had Monzon comfortably outboxing him, though as i said, Griffith did better than I would've thought.

What foul play are you speaking of?

[Sweet Pete]

We'll continue this tomorrow, it's past 2:00 A.M. and I'm off for the night.

[K-Nan]

Hagler fighting Leonard, Duran, and Hearns(all smaller fighters) is better?

They both fought smaller guys, and Hagler even managed to lose to one of them(though disputable, and his smaller opponents are probably just a tad better), but Monzon undoubtedly beat the better fulltime MW's.

I hold them (Leonard, Hearns) in higher esteem than Griffith and Napoles.

[Azteca]

A danish writer at ringside claims that he was told by Mickey Duff that he (Duff) had seen the scorecards and that Griffith was the winner. Take it for what it is worth, it has never been confirmed by Duff.

[Azteca]

I hold them (Leonard, Hearns) in higher esteem than Griffith and Napoles.

and the other guys were MULTI division champs. hearns killed himself to make 147. Killed.

Oh and instead of having same day weigh in and by Hagler weighing in at 158 for most of his fights, his opponents were able to blow up.

Thus making them actually 'bigger', but not real middleweights.

But dont tell Peetie that.