Can Floyd Be The Best Fighter Ever

[tredh]

i was'nt comparing him to RJJ i was just stating that there ways of searching for challenges to prove yourself regardless of your competition

i dont care if Floyd is a 6 weight world champion IMO he has 1 possibly 2 Elite fighters on his record Dela Hoya Possibly Hatton ,please dont trot out Castillo ,Corrales both are not great lightweights like J C Chavez ,Mosley,Duran we all know that ,just cause they had a great fight together dont mean **** IMO

PBF can push his legacy on a lot further IMO but he doesnt wanna take the risks to do that ,i dont care if u think he could batter Pacquiao or Juan Diaz i wanna see him share a ring with more Elite figters like Pacquiao that is the only way your theory will be proved that he can do that to Pacquiao or not ,Nobody thought Forrest would do to Mosley what he did or Tarver to RJJ for that matter u cannot just dismiss fighters untill they have fought each other

to be the best u have to FIGHT the best

I wasn't really comparing Roy Jones and PBF I was just comparing Jones' move to heavyweight to a possible move of PBF to middleweight. You how people felt Jones was challenging himself by that move but IMO it wasn't really a challenge because on Jones' worst day Ruiz didn't stand a chance.
Certain things are challenges and certain things are just dumb IMO.
To be honest PBF doesn't have a elite all time fighter on his resume. De la Hoya only has one which he lost too which was Trinidad and we all know the bull**** that comes along with that. Mosley is on De la Hoya resume but before he got to De la Hoya he had fought nobody although I think Mosley is above average I don't think he is elite or a all time great. There is nothing wrong with that because Mosley is a hell of a fighter. My reasons for those thoughts on Mosley is because I don't think he was very smart in the ring and he has no in fight adaptability.

OF course seeing is believing but I don't think fights like those are fair where a guy drains himself to stay at a smaller weight to be stronger, hit harder and take more punishment from a smaller fighter. Thats bull**** to me. True nobody thought Forrest would dominate Mosley but he was given a hell of a chance to win. Tarver and Jones **** was different though.

True to be the best you have to fight the best but putting yourself at extreme disadvantages and losing proves nothing. Fighting the best on equal terms proves something to me not fighting someone who out weighs you by at least 30 lbs and losing regardless of a good showing.

[Dynamite Kid]

IM NOT SAYIN FLOYD IS THE BEST EVER BUT HE IS THE BEST OF HIS GENERATION AND HE WILL STOP COTTO EASY

u dont know that untill you have seen them fight that is your opinion

im sure u didnt pick Forrest to beat Mosley or Douglas to beat Tyson or Tarver to beat RJJ ,

IF it were down to u there wouldnt have been any point in these fights happening cause apparently what u say is gospel and they would have lost cause u said so ,Skill & talent does 'nt always win fights

[Dynamite Kid]

I wasn't really comparing Roy Jones and PBF I was just comparing Jones' move to heavyweight to a possible move of PBF to middleweight. You how people felt Jones was challenging himself by that move but IMO it wasn't really a challenge because on Jones' worst day Ruiz didn't stand a chance.
Certain things are challenges and certain things are just dumb IMO.
To be honest PBF doesn't have a elite all time fighter on his resume. De la Hoya only has one which he lost too which was Trinidad and we all know the bull**** that comes along with that. Mosley is on De la Hoya resume but before he got to De la Hoya he had fought nobody although I think Mosley is above average I don't think he is elite or a all time great. There is nothing wrong with that because Mosley is a hell of a fighter. My reasons for those thoughts on Mosley is because I don't think he was very smart in the ring and he has no in fight adaptability.

OF course seeing is believing but I don't think fights like those are fair where a guy drains himself to stay at a smaller weight to be stronger, hit harder and take more punishment from a smaller fighter. Thats bull**** to me. True nobody thought Forrest would dominate Mosley but he was given a hell of a chance to win. Tarver and Jones **** was different though.

True to be the best you have to fight the best but putting yourself at extreme disadvantages and losing proves nothing. Fighting the best on equal terms proves something to me not fighting someone who out weighs you by at least 30 lbs and losing regardless of a good showing.

i agree with a lot of what u said good post however IMO it does mean a lot putting yourself at huge disadvantage cause the rewards for success are massive & your credentials sky rocket to the dizzy heights where u can make statments like i am the best fighter of all time & not many people will look for excuses to discredit u

u say Floyd has'nt got the opostition to make him that fighter IMO he has enough Elite fighters in & around his weight catergory to make himself that fighter ,i couldnt care less if he was'nt a 6 weight world champion but he had 4 wins over 4 Elite fighters on his record that to me would be more impressive

i think Floyd's legacy will just be that u can make a case that he was the best fighter of all time if retires undefeated & a 6 weight world champ , but i dont think he has any intention of trying to solidify the fact ,which is a shame hey i would love to see the best of him

i agree about RJJ aswell BTW hell Ruiz was one hell of a bum even Toney beat him aswell another Middleweight who RJJ dominated in their fight

[Dynamite Kid]

dont get me wrong im not pissed because up untill this point nobody had beaten him im pissed because i fear we will never truly get to see how great Floyd really is the same as i regret the way Roy handled his career

talentwise they are the 2 most skilled fighters ever IMO but they have'nt maximised their potential to solidify that ,still legends who are comaprable but they could have done more to cement their Legacy IMO ,People say they dont have the fighters to make them great i disagree u get more than 4 wins over 4 Elite fighters u are one hell of a special fighter & their are more than 4 Elite fighters From Heavyweight down in any era

[tredh]

i agree with a lot of what u said good post however IMO it does mean a lot putting yourself at huge disadvantage cause the rewards for success are massive & your credentials sky rocket to the dizzy heights where u can make statments like i am the best fighter of all time & not many people will look for excuses to discredit u

u say Floyd has'nt got the opostition to make him that fighter IMO he has enough Elite fighters in & around his weight catergory to make himself that fighter ,i couldnt care less if he was'nt a 6 weight world champion but he had 4 wins over 4 Elite fighters on his record that to me would be more impressive

i think Floyd's legacy will just be that u can make a case that he was the best fighter of all time if retires undefeated & a 6 weight world champ , but i dont think he has any intention of trying to solidify the fact ,which is a shame hey i would love to see the best of him

i agree about RJJ aswell BTW hell Ruiz was one hell of a bum even Toney beat him aswell another Middleweight who RJJ dominated in their fight

What elite fighters are in and around PBF's weight do you think would put him into that class?

I also agree with alot of your post. I can see and agree with what you saying about putting yourself at such a extreme disadvantage because of the rewards. I was mainly focusing on if said person lost that fight. Like if Roy Jones would have fought Lennox Lewis instead of Ruiz. Lewis could have probably KO'ed Jones with his jab don't even want to think about what the right hand would have done. But Jones would have never had to do anything else in boxing if he would have won that fight and the bar would have been raised so high for anybody to ever have a chance to knock him off.

[tredh]

dont get me wrong im not pissed because up untill this point nobody had beaten him im pissed because i fear we will never truly get to see how great Floyd really is the same as i regret the way Roy handled his career

talentwise they are the 2 most skilled fighters ever IMO but they have'nt maximised their potential to solidify that ,still legends who are comaprable but they could have done more to cement their Legacy IMO ,People say they dont have the fighters to make them great i disagree u get more than 4 wins over 4 Elite fighters u are one hell of a special fighter & their are more than 4 Elite fighters From Heavyweight down in any era

I feel Roy Jones had more elite fighters in and around his weight class than PBF had. I agree that both could have fought a few different people to have better resumes.

[Dynamite Kid]

i would like Floyd to fight ,Pacquaio ,Cotto ,Mosley ,Winky at light middleweight ,hell Winky has a win over Trinidad ,2 wins over Mosley ,

imagine hoW great his record would look with these names on it & they are all winable fights for him all have suffered losses except for Cotto

Dela Hoya
Cotto
Pacquiao
Mosley
Winky
Hatton

noW that is one impressive CV

[Dynamite Kid]

If u add the lower level fighters that would make for even better reading

Dela Hoya
Cotto
Pacquiao
Mosley
Winky
Hatton
Gatti
Judah
Corrales
Castillo

that is a hell of a record at 6 weight classes

[SkillspayBills]

If u add the lower level fighters that would make for even better reading

Dela Hoya
Cotto
Pacquiao
Mosley
Winky
Hatton
Gatti
Judah
Corrales
Castillo

that is a hell of a record at 6 weight classes

We would all want this to happen but the reality is it is very unlikely. What is funny is taht this should be his ACTUAL resume if Winky wasn't delusional about his drawing power and Mosley didn't have a toothache. Pac and Cotto would both get a shot and this resume would fact.

[deevel79]

Floyd's win over Hatton was a good win, but to be honest, with the exception of the TKO, i wasnt really impressed with him. He focused primarily on avoiding punishment, while throwing one punch at a time then holding. He would throw a lead right, then either fall in and clinch, or duck below the waste. He waited to capitilize on Hatton's mistakes as oppose to bringing the fight to Hatton. Floyd didnt turn it up until he had Hatton hurt. Like i said, it was a good win, but if not for the TKO, it would've been another case of Floyd doing "just enough" to win on points.