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  • pesticid
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    #41
    Say what you want about Calzaghe and him fighting in Wales and poor competition.

    Who are the big names on Hopkins' record though?

    DLH, Tito, Roy, Taylor, Winky, Tarver: Dlh started at 130 and went to 160, lost to Sturm and got koed by Hopkins while winning 3 rounds. Tito got outboxed silly and stopped but Tito was a small man too. He started at 147 and at 160 he got beat every single round by Winky Wright. Hopkins barely squeezed by a overweight Winky. He did beat convincigly Tarver though. He lost two decision against Taylor even though some may dispute that he did win both of them. I scored both of them for Taylor. He got beat by a one-armed Roy Jone.

    In summary, disregard Tito and DLH as real middleweights cause they are not and they have proven it.

    Bernard faced Roy and he lost. He faced Taylor twice and he both times. He won against Winky Wright, and he beat Antonio Tarver. 4 big names and 3 losses.

    Who are the big names on Calzaghe' record?
    Lacy - everybody favoured the highly-regarde undefeated Lacy to expose Calzaghe, and Joe shot him to pieces.
    Kessler- another undefeated fighter who cleaned out the 168 pound division, known as one of the best technicians with speed and power, who resides at 168. Calzaghe beat him, and not like Hopkins beat Winky either
    Eubank - He beat him convincingly.

    He faced 3 big names and he beat them all convincingly.

    Has Bernard fought outside of US? Yes, once in Ecuador and that was for the IBF middleweight title. According to boxrec he's seen the canvas twice and he's won by majority decision.

    Has Joe been out of Wales? Yes, he's been to England, he's been to Denmark, he's been to Germany. So if you don't count England, Calzaghe's been to one more country than Bernard.

    I just thought I would put things in better perspective.

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    • Orange Sneakers
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      #42
      Hopkins beats Calzaghe seven days a week - he's masterful against southpaws and his lead right hands will land all night long (if need be) on the squared-up Calzaghe

      He takes Calzaghe out

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      • Randall_Hopkirk
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        #43
        2. Give me an example of where The Blow was pushed backwards and unable to fight.
        When his then wife pushed the divorce papers in front of his nose. Apart from that he's always on the front foot. Even when he was floored by Mitchell, he was the aggressor almost immediately after he got up.

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          #44
          Originally posted by !! Anorak
          Pac is feasting on OAP Amigos.... and tell me who the "A class superstar fighters" B-Hop has beaten are? I'll accept Tito, but as I assume you're not talking about Morrade Hakkar or Robert Allen, I'll have to assume it's a reference to a two foot Mexican.


          Let me ask you... if The Blow had boiled down to 160, do you really think he WOULDN'T have beaten The Acting Amigo?
          It's not feasible to think about the Blow at 160 because he struggles enough to simply make the 168 limit. As for Hopkins, I think out pointing the #2 best P4P fighter in the sport at the time (Wright) and capturing the LHW title from Tarver alone are more impressive feats than beating Jeff Lacy and Mikkel Kessler.



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            #45
            Originally posted by Smokin'
            Damn Annie.........great rebuttal.
            Cheers slag.

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            • Ironside
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              #46
              Originally posted by Orange Sneakers
              Hopkins beats Calzaghe seven days a week - he's masterful against southpaws and his lead right hands will land all night long (if need be) on the squared-up Calzaghe

              He takes Calzaghe out
              I'm just wondering though, since you are picking B-Hop to win, would you give Calzaghe full credit if he were to win?

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                #47
                Originally posted by !! Anorak
                Pac is feasting on OAP Amigos.... and tell me who the "A class superstar fighters" B-Hop has beaten are? I'll accept Tito, but as I assume you're not talking about Morrade Hakkar or Robert Allen, I'll have to assume it's a reference to a two foot Mexican.


                Let me ask you... if The Blow had boiled down to 160, do you really think he WOULDN'T have beaten The Acting Amigo?
                Although i disagree with a lot of said The_Bringer said, you can't tell me you dont have Slopkins in the alltime middleweight greats?

                Trinidad, De la hoya, Tarver, Wright, Jones, Taylor compare that tot he people Blow has fought.

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                • Orange Sneakers
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                  #48
                  Originally posted by pesticid
                  Say what you want about Calzaghe and him fighting in Wales and poor competition.

                  Who are the big names on Hopkins' record though?

                  DLH, Tito, Roy, Taylor, Winky, Tarver: Dlh started at 130 and went to 160, lost to Sturm and got koed by Hopkins while winning 3 rounds. Tito got outboxed silly and stopped but Tito was a small man too. He started at 147 and at 160 he got beat every single round by Winky Wright. Hopkins barely squeezed by a overweight Winky. He did beat convincigly Tarver though. He lost two decision against Taylor even though some may dispute that he did win both of them. I scored both of them for Taylor. He got beat by a one-armed Roy Jone.

                  In summary, disregard Tito and DLH as real middleweights cause they are not and they have proven it.

                  Bernard faced Roy and he lost. He faced Taylor twice and he both times. He won against Winky Wright, and he beat Antonio Tarver. 4 big names and 3 losses.

                  Who are the big names on Calzaghe' record?
                  Lacy - everybody favoured the highly-regarde undefeated Lacy to expose Calzaghe, and Joe shot him to pieces.
                  Kessler- another undefeated fighter who cleaned out the 168 pound division, known as one of the best technicians with speed and power, who resides at 168. Calzaghe beat him, and not like Hopkins beat Winky either
                  Eubank - He beat him convincingly.

                  He faced 3 big names and he beat them all convincingly.

                  Has Bernard fought outside of US? Yes, once in Ecuador and that was for the IBF middleweight title. According to boxrec he's seen the canvas twice and he's won by majority decision.

                  Has Joe been out of Wales? Yes, he's been to England, he's been to Denmark, he's been to Germany. So if you don't count England, Calzaghe's been to one more country than Bernard.

                  I just thought I would put things in better perspective.
                  I agree with the stuff about Hopkins, and remember Tarver claims to have been severely weight-drained

                  But Richie Woodhall is Calzaghe's best win. Bar the power and flash hands, Calzaghe looked no better than Gary Stretch or Dan Schommer did against Eubank - Eubank just could not deal with a southpaw stance

                  I don't rate Kessler as good as Woodhall. And I don't rate Lacy period

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                    #49
                    The argument about Hopkins having a great record against southpows is ridiculous. Joe Calzaghe's record against conventional fighters is even better.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by Ironside
                      I'm just wondering though, since you are picking B-Hop to win, would you give Calzaghe full credit if he were to win?
                      Dont worry, Hopkins will definately lose now, Orange Sneakers is a curse, whoever he picks, just the pick the opposite guy.

                      There have been atleast 15-20 fights in a row where I have been successful thanks to him.

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