How could Roy Jones Junior be the best of this era?

[Orange Sneakers]

The most skilled? Moreso than Ray Leonard, Pernell Whitaker, Floyd Mayweather, etc?

And noone on earth will argue that he fought better opposition than Ray Leonard, nor did he face better opp than Whitaker, and the key thing with Toney is, he didn't beat all the best opp, and lost to a lot of lower level fighters as well, such as losing to Drake Thadzi, Montell Griffin twice, and getting a gift against a schmoe like Dave Tiberi. That doesn't strike me as "most skilled" when you lose to guys like that.

Ray openly admits that he wouldn't fight McCallum or Nunn because he knew he'd probably lose. Toney fought them and beat them. Steward pretty much admits that McCallum was better than Hearns, and Nunn was the #1 lb4lb.

Toney's performance against Barkley is about the best I've seen. You just knew he was the best fighter in the world after that.

Nunn, McCallum, Sosa, DeWitt, Barkley, Thornton, Littles, Prince Charles Williams, Jones, Griffin, Jirov, Holyfield - the man fought everyone. Only ****ing Ali, Duran, Robinson compare as far as resumes in the last 60 or 70 years.

[Jim_Davis]

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[Sweet Pete]

]Ray openly admits that he wouldn't fight McCallum or Nunn because he knew he'd probably lose. Toney fought them and beat them. Steward pretty much admits that McCallum was better than Hearns, and Nunn was the #1 lb4lb.

Ray admits this? I will have to call source or BS on that one. And he would obviously have lost to Nunn at that point when past his prime. You're asking a past his prime old version of Leonard to fight a bigger fighter in his prime? Nah, I'm sure he would pass. And you're comparing a prime McCallum of 154 to the old man at LHW that Toney fought? The fact that McCallum did so good at that age when someone like Jones thrashed is saying something about Toney in the first place. He beat Nunn, good win. Steward said McCallum got the best of him in sparring, and again, you comparing a prime McCallum at 154 to the old, shot fighter 30 pounds above his best that Toney fought is absolutely laughable. That's like saying Ali was one of the best ever, and Berbick beating him makes him one of the best ever.

Toney's performance against Barkley is about the best I've seen. You just knew he was the best fighter in the world after that.

Unfortunately Roy Jones was still around.

Nunn, McCallum, Sosa, DeWitt, Barkley, Thornton, Littles, Prince Charles Williams, Jones, Griffin, Jirov, Holyfield - the man fought everyone. Only ****ing Ali, Duran, Robinson compare as far as resumes in the last 60 or 70 years.

The fact that you mention Sosa, DeWirr, Thornton, Littles, and Williams tells me you're reaching very far for credible opponents, as none of them are anyone worthy of any mention really.

He didn't fight Benn, Eubank, Hopkins, McCallum, etc etc. There are many he didn't fight, and the guys you named aren't that impressive, how do you honestly think the names I just took out of your post are impressive wins? They're second tier opponents.

Ali, Duran, Leonard, Robinson, Charles, Moore, Louis, Whitaker, Ortiz, ****in De La Hoya, Chavez, Napoles, Monzon, Griffith, Lewis, Holyfield, Hagler, Arguello, etc all have better resumes.

[shawn_]

James Toney is the best fighter since Marvin Hagler. In my opinion.

I think he had the potential to be the best fighter EVER, but he just didn't have the kind of dedication he needed.

A James Toney that came in prepared mentally and physically for every fight would have been unbeatable, even by Roy Jones.

[NachoMan]

you think mayweather will be undefeated if he was fighting at 36 years old??? his time will come to get knocked out if he dont retire soon. and going from 160 to heavyweight is more impressive than from 130 to 154. jones had to put on twice the weight that mayweather did to compete with the heavyweights. and jones has a better resume anyway.

I disagree. I said this already in another thread, but it's worth repeating here. People who think it's more impressive to successfully move (become champion) from middleweight to heavyweight than from junior lightweight to junior middle are not considering that there is a pretty obvious talent curve in boxing that tapers of somewhere after welterweight. There is a much higher concentration of talent from 130-154, no question. If I put on 20lbs and trained for a year, I could probably win a cruiserweight belt.

On a separate note, how the hell does Jones have a better resume than Floyd?

[Sweet Pete]

I think he had the potential to be the best fighter EVER, but he just didn't have the kind of dedication he needed.

A James Toney that came in prepared mentally and physically for every fight would have been unbeatable, even by Roy Jones.

How in the world can you think any of that? Especially about Jones, who always had the style to destroy Toney.

[NachoMan]

Steward pretty much admits that McCallum was better than Hearns...

I need audio/video proof of that. Steward can't shut his mouth about how great his boy was.

[Sweet Pete]

I disagree. I said this already in another thread, but it's worth repeating here. People who think it's more impressive to successfully move (become champion) from middleweight to heavyweight than from junior lightweight to junior middle are not considering that there is a pretty obvious talent curve in boxing that tapers of somewhere after welterweight. There is a much higher concentration of talent from 130-154, no question. If I put on 20lbs and trained for a year, I could probably win a cruiserweight belt.

On a separate note, how the hell does Jones have a better resume than Floyd?

Jones: Toney, Hopkins, Tarver, Ruiz, Hill, Griffin, Woods, Pazienza

Mayweather: De La Hoya, Hatton, Castillo, Corrales, Hernandez, Judah, Chavez

I'd go with Roy based on top two wins especially.

[NachoMan]

Jones: Toney, Hopkins, Tarver, Ruiz, Hill, Griffin, Woods, Pazienza

Mayweather: De La Hoya, Hatton, Castillo, Corrales, Hernandez, Judah, Chavez

I'd go with Roy based on top two wins especially.

Okay, to each his own, I suppose. You do realize, though, that you have Vinny Paz on Roy's best fights list?

[Sweet Pete]

Okay, to each his own, I suppose. You do realize, though, that you have Vinny Paz on Roy's best fights list?

Just like I have Chavez and Judah on Floyd's. Take Paz off, take one of them off.