Mayweather and Calzaghe will retire Undefeated

[warp1432]

I never made any excuses, I only said that Williams would beat Floyd because he is a REAL Welterweight, Hatton is clearly not a REAL Welterweight. I am just stating a fact.

As hell Williams is a real welterweight. The man should be fighting atleast Jr.Middle and drys himself out just to make 147. I bet making 147 is a ***** for him.

[WLAD OWNS]

As hell Williams is a real welterweight. The man should be fighting atleast Jr.Middle and drys himself out just to make 147. I bet making 147 is a ***** for him.

Yeah, I don't know how much longer he can make 147, he must be killing himself to make weight. He has to be the biggest Welterweight of all time, his reach is ****ing 82". I truly believe he will beat Floyd if they ever fight.

[Spinz]

i think Floyd will get defeated in the very distant future, coz hes one of them guys whos gonna keep comin out of retirement with grudges til hes 40

i think Calzaghe is more clever and would be content with retirement

[oldgringo]

Sorry to burst your bubble but fighting Joe is alot different then fighting Adamek.

Instead of fighting a fighter who stands up straight and throw's telegraphed shots, he's fighting a guy who gives you different looks. Not just the standard ear muff defense, but a guy who wings his shots, then pot shots for a bit outside, then switches up and wrestles with you inside.

I saw Harding upset his rythym with the spurts of pressure that he tried to put on Dawson. Granted that was Dawson in his first major fight, but he did look a little fishy for my taste.

But the comparsion works because Harding is a southpaw.

The uppercuts and hooks that you are talking about will only work vs. inferior pressure opponents. Not vs. a guy like Zag who has showed us he is one of the p4p best. And boy is he awkward.

It is a good fight, though. Too bad it wont happen. Zag's got bigger fish to fry. Not a very good fight from a business point of view.

I think you just need to keep thinking about it more. Before you were giving Dawson very little chance, now you say it would be a good fight, I wonder what's next...

How is Joe going to effectively pressure a guy he can't get inside on? A guy that bigger, skilled opponents (like Adamek) largely haven't been able to get inside on? Adamek was no crude pressure fighter. Less awkward than Joe yes...but he wasn't a slouch.

So the uppercuts will only work vs. inferior pressure opponents huh? Why did Kessler have success with them? Kessler is a lesser fighter than Dawson in my opinion and some of his best moments came by using the uppercut.

I agree that it'd be a bad business decision for Joe. Why face a guy who holds so many advantages over you when you aren't going to get a lot of loot? I can't see Joe climbing that mountain.

[FRKO]

Say what you want about them, They will retire undefeated.

100% agree.

[Azteca]

I think you just need to keep thinking about it more. Before you were giving Dawson very little chance, now you say it would be a good fight, I wonder what's next...

How is Joe going to effectively pressure a guy he can't get inside on? A guy that bigger, skilled opponents (like Adamek) largely haven't been able to get inside on? Adamek was no crude pressure fighter. Less awkward than Joe yes...but he wasn't a slouch.

So the uppercuts will only work vs. inferior pressure opponents huh? Why did Kessler have success with them? Kessler is a lesser fighter than Dawson in my opinion and some of his best moments came by using the uppercut.

I agree that it'd be a bad business decision for Joe. Why face a guy who holds so many advantages over you when you aren't going to get a lot of loot? I can't see Joe climbing that mountain.

lol lol

I was being politically correct earlier. Didn't want to hurt your feelings with your obvious hard on towards Dawson.

How can you point to a single punch that Zag is supposedly prone to? That's looking at boxing a tad one dimensional. Wouldn't you agree?

I've seen Zag wobbled by the overhand right (against Brewer) and stunned by the uppercut in Kessler case. Pointing to a single punch to end the fight, yeah, that's a bit rookish if i might add.

Joe has a style that just feeds off right handed fighters . He might do that with lefties too , I don't know.

Who knows how Dawson would react. I see an inexperienced guy, with stamina issues, and a weak chin. Zag just undresses good boxers and completely takes them out of their game. I think he would do the same to Dawson.

[Feint]

Doubtful…

Don’t get me wrong, this opinion has nothing to do with their skills. Each of these boxers are obviously great fighters. But there is a reason in all of boxing history only Rocky Marciano was the only champion to ever retire undefeated, and that is champions gain that title because they are always trying to prove themselves. A true champion is never satisfied.

But no matter how much will and determination you have as a fighter time eventually takes its toll and the body, reflexes, and overall skill level begins slowing down and somebody eventually comes along to end your reign.

[SlugBug]

As much as I hate to say it, Floyd will never loose. God I hate that

Calzaghe on the other hand can be beat. Their are a bunch of guys out there, including Popkins, that have a good shot. I'm not saying I'd bet against him but I wouldn't be suprised if he get's beat sometime in the next couple of fights.

[oldgringo]

lol lol

I was being politically correct earlier. Didn't want to hurt your feelings with your obvious hard on towards Dawson.

How can you point to a single punch that Zag is supposedly prone to? That's looking at boxing a tad one dimensional. Wouldn't you agree?

I've seen Zag wobbled by the overhand right (against Brewer) and stunned by the uppercut in Kessler case. Pointing to a single punch to end the fight, yeah, that's a bit rookish if i might add.

Joe has a style that just feeds off right handed fighters . He might do that with lefties too , I don't know.

Who knows how Dawson would react. I see an inexperienced guy, with stamina issues, and a weak chin. Zag just undresses good boxers and completely takes them out of their game. I think he would do the same to Dawson.

I'm a robot. These are automated responses. You are incapable of hurting my feelings because I have no soul.

Chad Dawson has shown that his uppercut is a much improved, now lethal part of his variety of offensive tools. Don't get me wrong, I could go on about the myriad of punches Dawson could hit Calzaghe with that would end his night early. I pointed out that Kessler had success with it and Dawson could have that same success with it.

You watched the Harding fight, so you're well aware that he can win a fight with his right hand alone. Once that gets working, he comes with the sweeping right hand, straight left that Calzaghe himself likes to use. It's going to get there first. Calzaghe ain't gonna like it.

Dawson has gotten dropped twice, albeit by two world class fighters. Considering that just about every fighter has been put on their ass at one point, usually by lesser opponents, I'd say that Dawson has done quite well for himself getting up the way he has. Sounds amateurish jumping to the conclusion that he has a weak chin based on two fights that gave you less than stellar evidence on that matter.

Dawson fought another similarly sized southpaw in Ian Gardner and he just broke him down systematically. Granted Gardner and Joe are on opposite ends of the spectrum as far as fighting ability and intelligence go. Gardner was a competent, slick fighter who couldn't get away from that right left, nor could he overcome that size difference.

I just can't see Joe, for all of his talent and guile, overcoming the size, technique and skill of Chad Dawson.

[Lexigon_5]

Dawson ?

I have not heard of Dawson. Tell more. recommend a fight to watch of him.