Better resume. Trinidad or Mayweather?

[C'MONMANG']

Are you slow? He beat the number 1 welter weight, you said he didn't. 140 pounds isn't at welter weight, that's jr. Welter weight and Tszyu was the champ, but never persued a fight with Floyd. Floyd called out Hatton, Hatton ran, and Mayweather claimed the welter weight crown. Margarito is a nobody who lost his worthless WBO belt at the first sign of decent opposition. What happened to your ability to comprehend?

Floyd fought TWO title eliminators in order to face Gatti..now how many Eliminators did he face to put himself in contention for Zoo? from the moment Floyd stepped foot at JW he was persuing Gatti..HIS "actions"...ACTIONS (PLEASE READ THAT LAST WORD)..proves that he wanted Gatti and only Gatti......not ZOO

[sonofisis]

Floyd fought TWO title eliminators in order to face Gatti..

Which he was prone to do as he had priority for the WBC, being a WBC fighter. He wanted the WBC and to unify by fighting Tszyu, but said if Gatti didn't want to fight, he'd fight Tszyu then and there. Tszyu picked Hatton, lost, and Floyd wanted Hatton who was obviously even more dangerous, so.....

now how many Eliminators did he face to put himself in contention for Zoo?

Tszyu was out on an injury when Floyd first moved up to 140 also, your timing is very bad.

from the moment Floyd stepped foot at JW he was persuing Gatti..

Tszyu was inactive and pbf was chasing the WBC and ppv.

HIS "actions"...ACTIONS (PLEASE READ THAT LAST WORD)..proves that he wanted Gatti and only Gatti......not ZOO

Not true.. See above.

[C'MONMANG']

Which he was prone to do as he had priority for the WBC, being a WBC fighter. He wanted the WBC and to unify by fighting Tszyu, but said if Gatti didn't want to fight, he'd fight Tszyu then and there. Tszyu picked Hatton, lost, and Floyd wanted Hatton who was obviously even more dangerous, so.....



Tszyu was out on an injury when Floyd first moved up to 140 also, your timing is very bad.



Tszyu was inactive and pbf was chasing the WBC and ppv.



Not true.. See above.

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[C'MONMANG']

Which he was prone to do as he had priority for the WBC, being a WBC fighter. He wanted the WBC and to unify by fighting Tszyu, but said if Gatti didn't want to fight, he'd fight Tszyu then and there. Tszyu picked Hatton, lost, and Floyd wanted Hatton who was obviously even more dangerous, so.....



Tszyu was out on an injury when Floyd first moved up to 140 also, your timing is very bad.



Tszyu was inactive and pbf was chasing the WBC and ppv.



Not true.. See above.

did they have him under contract to exclusivley fight for thier belts? LOL..

[warp1432]

Tito Trinidad gets my vote. Probably has one of the best resumes in boxing today.

Shame he got shut out by Winky and got Koed by Hopkins...Oh wait no it's not

[crillz]

I understand who Tito beat and they were all in and around his weight range. Citing that Tito beat 4 gold medalists etc, it futile. His list of opponents are laid out in the first post. At the end of the day, the best opponent he beat was an old coked up Whitaker while the other fighters were really decent contenders. Mayweather has been in 19 title fights, Felix has been in 21 and lost 1. Floyd has beaten 11 world champs, Tito has beaten 8. Mayweather has gotten belts in 5 weight classes, Tito in 3, one of them where he subsequently lost the same belt by TKO, came back and got shut out. mayweather's resume is more straight forward.



What does an undefeated record indicate? Tito's best win against an undefeated was against Vargas, before that, DLH and he really lost. He's fought better fighters than Corrales who had losses, your point is moot. Tito didn't even crush Oscar so I'm not sure how you'd figure he'd crush "all 38 opponents", which means little anyways since most of them were at 130/135.

Grasping at straws.

stop picking and choosing parts of my post, I said all 38 fighters WHEN FLOYD FACED them not when they were at their best because Floyd obviously faced Oscar over the hill.. the same way you can say Tito lost to Oscar is the same way I could say Floyd lost to Castillo and don't even throw the rematch at me yo because thats not the fight I'm referring to so there's no need to bring it up, it doesn't negate the 1st effort..

you just brush off caliber opponents like that doesn't matter, Trinidad beat the better guys yo that has to stand for something so stop brushing it off like it's nothing, you just talking about on paper accomplishments, what kind of **** would you be talking if Trinidad was undefeated? you wouldn't be able to say ****, even with 2 losses you still can't really say **** cuz Tito has a better resume, he fought the better names.. winning titles in other divisions doesn't exactly say much for you, what if you stood in 1 division all your career and dominated it? cleaned out everybody, you mean to tell me that because another fighter spent his career facing lesser fighters but just jumped up and beat over the hill guys that he's better? just cuz he jumped up? you sound foolish dogz it's about WHO you fight, Trinidad fought the better opposition, he always stepped up and I can't say that for Floyd..

you supposed to be WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPION so what are you doing fighting the JUNIOR Welterweight champion? defending your WW title against a smaller man when you have perfectly qualified challengers in your own division ready and waiting to fight you, that **** is ****** to me and now he wants to kick that "no Cotto" ****, I'm starting to believe that **** about him hand picking his opponents, his last 2 fights had him fighting 1 division up and 1 division down from 147 which is absurd, you mean to tell me he's has a better resume than Trinidad? you nuts bro, anyone can beat a chump or get a win over a past his best day fighter but Trinidad fought and beat these guys when they were undefeated and GOOD not 9 years later homie, opponents matter when speaking of a resume don't front like they don't, you could be champ of all ages but if you didn't fight nobody you gets no credit just ask Head Hopkins..

[sonofisis]

why you avoiding my posts dogz? I'm getting directly at you with the seriousness you looking for, no biasness here yet you decide to respond to those whom you render inscure and bias, you make no sense yo..

This is what happens when you aren't patient. Hold your horses, geeze. I already responded to you.

[C'MONMANG']

This is what happens when you aren't patient. Hold your horses, geeze. I already responded to you.

yeah , tell em.. you arent avoiding him., you were just busy persuing the WBC belt..LOLOLOLOL

[crillz]

This is what happens when you aren't patient. Hold your horses, geeze. I already responded to you.

nah cuz you responded to posts that were made AFTER my post so I figured you would just ignore them, enough time passed plus me seeing you reply to posts made after my post gave me that thought..

[sonofisis]

stop picking and choosing parts of my post, I said all 38 fighters WHEN FLOYD FACED them not when they were at their best because Floyd obviously faced Oscar over the hill.. the same way you can say Tito lost to Oscar is the same way I could say Floyd lost to Castillo and don't even throw the rematch at me yo because thats not the fight I'm referring to so there's no need to bring it up, it doesn't negate the 1st effort..

*I didn't pick and choose anything but rather responded to what I felt to be your central points. "When Floyd faced them" again, most of THEM were at 130/135 pounds, so why is this relevant when Tito's career revolved around 147? He won most of his fights by knock out, so I don't see what a 147 pound KO artist knocking out a bunch of 130 pounders would prove, prime or not.

* Floyd faced a well conditioned and prepared Oscar who was 20 pounds heavier and won. Tito lost to a set in his prime Oscar.

*Saying Floyd lost to Castillo is not the same unless Tito also had a torn rotary cuff and won the rematch more impressively.

you just brush off caliber opponents like that doesn't matter, Trinidad beat the better guys yo that has to stand for something so stop brushing it off like it's nothing, you just talking about on paper accomplishments, what kind of **** would you be talking if Trinidad was undefeated?

I've already stated that if Tito's career was not tarnished by two shut out performances, I'd have no problem giving him the better resume at 40-0. This just isn't the case. He got embarrassed and knocked down a tier as Winky and Hopkins totally elevated themselves above Tito. This doesn't distract me away from his accomplishments at 147, I'm just being real and the same thing happened to RJJ. Mayweather at 130/135 is comparable enough to Tito at 147, yet Mayweather won titles at 140, 147, and 154 as well, with out losing and he beat Champions. As alluded to, he's beaten more Champions than Tito in less fights. p4p, Tito's opponents, matched up fighter for fighter is better. Just Not THAT much better, I won't be over dramatic here.

you wouldn't be able to say ****, even with 2 losses you still can't really say **** cuz Tito has a better resume, he fought the better names..

And lost. I also think that you may be overrating some of his opponents since many were just decent contenders who have since fallen off. All weren't former champs.

winning titles in other divisions doesn't exactly say much for you, what if you stood in 1 division all your career and dominated it?

The point is that fighting people who are 30 pounds heavier than you and beating them decisively says a lot. Taking their belts says a bit as well. Tito moving up and getting hammered also says a little bit. He can't carry his skill up there basically as well as Floyd can.

cleaned out everybody, you mean to tell me that because another fighter spent his career facing lesser fighters but just jumped up and beat over the hill guys that he's better?

What over-the-hill guys? If I were to submit to your hyperbole you might make sense to me. "Over-the-hill is a generic term. DLH is only 4 years older than Floyd, he just got beat by the better man. 4 years doesn't separate "over-the-hill from prime" by default, there has to be a gray area. I won't fall for these kind of silly semantics.

just cuz he jumped up? you sound foolish dogz it's about WHO you fight, Trinidad fought the better opposition, he always stepped up and I can't say that for Floyd..

Who did Trinidad fight? You keep saying that while not saying anything. What is Floyd's 5 biggest wins and what are Tito's?

Oscar
Pernell
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^Everybody after that is B+ at best.

you supposed to be WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPION so what are you doing fighting the JUNIOR Welterweight champion?

Because he's actually bigger than Floyd, please don't be so foolish and ignorant, have you followed Floyd's career? He's jumping up from 130 and Hatton walks around at 180. He's 43-0 and in his prime and they missed an opp to dance at 140. You're being irrational.

defending your WW title against a smaller man when you have perfectly qualified challengers in your own division ready and waiting to fight you, that **** is ****** to me and now he wants to kick that "no Cotto" ****, I'm starting to believe that **** about him hand picking his opponents, his last 2 fights had him fighting 1 division up and 1 division down from 147 which is absurd, you mean to tell me he's has a better resume than Trinidad? you nuts bro, anyone can beat a chump or get a win over a past his best day fighter but Trinidad fought and beat these guys when they were undefeated and GOOD not 9 years later homie, opponents matter when speaking of a resume don't front like they don't, you could be champ of all ages but if you didn't fight nobody you gets no credit just ask Head Hopkins..

You are doing nothing but blabbering and trying your hardest to use flimsy logic to downgrade opponents as if Floyd is at a set weight and was born at 147 pounds, therefore if he fights two fights at 147, he shouldn't fight for belts at 154 or fight a former 140 pounder who is bigger than he is and undefeated. Hand picking opponents? Well, he' must be the most cunning and calculating fighter to be able to time when and where he'd go for the WBC belt in every weight class, faithfully. You sound like a conspiracy nut more than an objective observer. You overrate Tito's resume through blind assertion with out demonstrating what justifies your position as if I'm supposed to take you for granted. You aren't logical and I stand by what I said. If Tito didn't get ****d like he did at 160, similar to RJJ at LHW, then his resume wouldn't be tarnished in my eyes. But it is, so...