Comparing Floyd vs The All Time Greats.

[K-Nan]

Looking at the first page I am suprised you haven't already crossed that bridge.

I'm gritting my teeth so that December 8th can deliver me from this.

[cortdawg25]

[QUOTE=Sweet Pete;2879899]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!![/B]

U a funny dude, McGirt was a top 5 pfp and quality win but Floyd beating Oscar when he had every disadvantage isn't, HAhahaha, your comedian! And then u go on to say that SRL has a much bigger arsenal, lol, what u talkin about that wind up punch? Yes floyd would beat SRL at 147, Leonard doesn't quite have all the capabilites that Floyd has. especially since Floyd came from 130, I can't understand how u don't see that his skills is what is allowing him to fight and beat these much bigger guys. Imagine SRL going up to cruiser weight and being productive, that's equivalent to what Floyd has done. Fact is none of those fighters u name has the boxing skill Floyd has except for SRR. Ali couldn't do what Floyd does or SRL


And most people thought Castillo won, wrong, most people thought Floyd won and that he escaped a close fight. But i see u got nothing to say about his torn rotator cuff and that when he was 100% it was much different fight. why not was up with that? Again Duran would have got da bizness just SRL gave it to him the 2nd time .

The only thing u right on is that Whitaker won abelt at 154, I forgot about that, I don't think I saw that one. And yeah i know whitaker was robbed but he still got da draw and that's what is in the record books so how is draw more imprressive and more dominating then Floyd beating Castillo, the champ at 135 at 80% at best. Please tell me your rationale for that

[wpink1]

cortdawg...Your smoking crack. Leonard moved up and beat Lalond which is the equivalent of Mayweather beating Baldimir...Moved up and beat hagler which is the great than any victory that Mayweather has on his resume. and Ray Leonad moved up and did this.... Ray leonard moved up and beat Kalule.. ...Now the other victories are Ray at welterweight which still there are not any victories Mayweather can point to that compares to a duran, Hearns, Benitez....Corrales is the closest. Castillo is s good fighter but not no where near this level. I think you need to check your resources.

Mayweather simply is a great figher who has not had the benefit that a ray leonard had by having truly great legends during their peak to fight....time will tell but he has to beat hatton, cotto and willliams and then we can talk.

Who cant move up and beat gotti, Judah, Baldimor and Dlh..Hmmm many have beaten the others...and Dlh has lost 6 out of his last 10-12 fights....I think you need to research....Leoanrd beat Benetiz...while he was undefeated 2 division champ...Hearns undefeated (went on to be 5-6 division champ),,Duran 72-1 2 divivsion champ ( went on for 5-6 titles)..kalule undefeated champ...hagler had not lost in 10 years..was th emiddleweight champ of ht world ray was a welterweight and had not fought in 5 years but once..and no tune up.....hmmmm Lalond was nto a great fight ray pulled some diva stuff..but it still was ray 21 pounds heavyier and during his peak years....hmmmm I think you need to get yoiur facts str8

[Jim Jeffries]

[QUOTE=cortdawg25;2882106]

U a funny dude, McGirt was a top 5 pfp and quality win but Floyd beating Oscar when he had every disadvantage isn't, HAhahaha, your comedian! And then u go on to say that SRL has a much bigger arsenal, lol, what u talkin about that wind up punch? Yes floyd would beat SRL at 147, Leonard doesn't quite have all the capabilites that Floyd has. especially since Floyd came from 130, I can't understand how u don't see that his skills is what is allowing him to fight and beat these much bigger guys. Imagine SRL going up to cruiser weight and being productive, that's equivalent to what Floyd has done. Fact is none of those fighters u name has the boxing skill Floyd has except for SRR. Ali couldn't do what Floyd does or SRL


And most people thought Castillo won, wrong, most people thought Floyd won and that he escaped a close fight. But i see u got nothing to say about his torn rotator cuff and that when he was 100% it was much different fight. why not was up with that? Again Duran would have got da bizness just SRL gave it to him the 2nd time .

The only thing u right on is that Whitaker won abelt at 154, I forgot about that, I don't think I saw that one. And yeah i know whitaker was robbed but he still got da draw and that's what is in the record books so how is draw more imprressive and more dominating then Floyd beating Castillo, the champ at 135 at 80% at best. Please tell me your rationale for that

Watch Oscar in his prime in the first Mosley fight and see if the DLH that fought Floyd was ANYWHERE NEAR the same guy. Way too much credit for beating a past it fighter with one fight in the last 3 years.

[cortdawg25]

cortdawg...Your smoking crack. Leonard moved up and beat Lalond which is the equivalent of Mayweather beating Baldimir...Moved up and beat hagler which is the great than any victory that Mayweather has on his resume. and Ray Leonad moved up and did this.... Ray leonard moved up and beat Kalule.. ...Now the other victories are Ray at welterweight which still there are not any victories Mayweather can point to that compares to a duran, Hearns, Benitez....Corrales is the closest. Castillo is s good fighter but not no where near this level. I think you need to check your resources.

Mayweather simply is a great figher who has not had the benefit that a ray leonard had by having truly great legends during their peak to fight....time will tell but he has to beat hatton, cotto and willliams and then we can talk.

Who cant move up and beat gotti, Judah, Baldimor and Dlh..Hmmm many have beaten the others...and Dlh has lost 6 out of his last 10-12 fights....I think you need to research....Leoanrd beat Benetiz...while he was undefeated 2 division champ...Hearns undefeated (went on to be 5-6 division champ),,Duran 72-1 2 divivsion champ ( went on for 5-6 titles)..kalule undefeated champ...hagler had not lost in 10 years..was th emiddleweight champ of ht world ray was a welterweight and had not fought in 5 years but once..and no tune up.....hmmmm Lalond was nto a great fight ray pulled some diva stuff..but it still was ray 21 pounds heavyier and during his peak years....hmmmm I think you need to get yoiur facts str8

I said SRL would have to move up to cruiser weight to be equivalent to what Floyd is doing right now. From 130 - 154, that is 4 divisons. WW to SMW is only 3 right? Was Lalond a crusierweight? hagler was the greatest MW ever, i agree and SRL W over him is impressive. But in my opinion he didn't beat Hagler and lose respect for your opinion when u say stuff like floyd needs to fight Cotto and Williams as if they are even in his league right now. Cotto is the closet thing at da MOMENT and Williams doesn't have the skills to beat Floyd. he has the body to, the physical capabilities of beating him, but he doesn't have the skill yet. Now if SRL is greatest of your time then so be it, Floyd is da greatest of mine and when i look at tapes of SRL and then of Floyd, I see floyd's skills are better than his. whe i look at tapes of Ali, I see floyd's skills greater than his. that's all i'm saying and that's my opinion. But what is fact is that Floyd's name is rightfully mentioned with those great fighters. There should be no dispute of that at all like a lot of posters are trying to say. We are witnessing history before our very eyes and no other boxer has done what he has done in such short time as well as he has done it.

[cortdawg25]

[QUOTE=gavinz1970;2882404]

Watch Oscar in his prime in the first Mosley fight and see if the DLH that fought Floyd was ANYWHERE NEAR the same guy. Way too much credit for beating a past it fighter with one fight in the last 3 years.

i've watched oscar fight whitaker and quartey and the same results would have happened then as they did in May. i love shane, he's great an HOfer but he is no Floyd Mayweather. the things oscar would be able to do to Mosley he could never do to Floyd.

[JoartCC]

Comparing Fake Floyd from legitime ATG's is more like of a joke.

Of course you can compare that A guy like Ali have beaten the best and a fraud like Fake FLoyd has DUCKED THE BEST.

So yeah we can compare.

With the words "beaten" and "ducked".

[wpink1]

When I look at Sugar Ray vs good fighters like Kalule Benitez, who are equal to the fighters that Mayweather has faces and incidently leonard at 147 moving to 168 limit is 21 pounds...and Myyweather from 130 to 154 is 24 pounds...hmm I say that is close enough... BTW...Leonard beating good fighters the equavalent to who mayweather has faced shows me comparable skills, with Mayweather having a edge in defensive skills, but Ray have a huge advantage in offensive skills.....Also keep in mind Ray stopped Lalond..Mayweather has not scratched a Welter or Super Welt...Also Ray is a finisher, Mayweather since he his 140 cant spell finishing or does he try...

If ray fought safety first vs all his fighters 2 things would happen...He would have appeared to have the same great defense Mayweather has, as Mayweather does not take the same risk or commit to his punces as Ray did. When Ray wanted to avoid taking punches and was mobile, Duran and Hagler fighters much better than Mayweather ever dreamed of facing had issues catching him....What Ray has done that thus far Mayweather has not is 2 things..fight legendary opposition (not all mayweather fault) and stop great fighters...Ray stopped Benitez, Hearns the first time, (hurt him the 2nd time) stopped Kalule, Lalond..Mayweathers claim to fame is Corrales...

Finally...You indicated that your young and that Mayweather is the greatest of your era..I agree I think Mayweather is the best of this era....however if you study boxing, and matches, and styles..You will see that Mayweather based of previous fights that pitted a shorter faster master boxer, vs a taller opponent with tremendous reach advantage..and speed and a good jab..You will see that the smaller fighter generally does not win or has to dig deep and make it a war. Sorry to hurt your feelings but Willilams would slaughter Mayweather based on what we have seen thus far. Take a look at hearns vs Leonard, Forrest vs Mosley, Jones vs Tarver...the taller fighter who has a great jab,,nullifies the speed of the shorter fighter. The taller fighter thus forced the shorter fighter to come inside if he has any chance at wanting ot win. Leonard came inside and made it a war and got a kO..Leonard fought Hearns againt and the same issue prevailed the taller guy is controlling the BOXING MATCH....Forrest vs Mosley..His reach and speed while not a mosley was sufficent due to height a reach,,,for Mosley to win he needed to get inside..he did not...He loses..Tarver Roy..Yes roy was not the same, but he was still very good, and he needed to get inside and make it a war..he did not and the last two fights..one a ko...when usually the hit and get out tactic vs a short fighter works..well Tarver covers more ground due to reach,,,thus roy was in perfect range for his counter punch..that lands because not only of reach but he legs (longer) being in perfect postion...

I suggest you revisit history when it comes to Williams- Mayweather.. You notice that the Mayweathr camp is noticeably very quiet when it comes to these bigger fighters. They pose too much of stylistic nightmare for the smaller Floyd,,one who is not known for going to war or punching power. Floyd will fgt hatton then Cotto,,and maybe retire,,,If he fights Williams..he will lose in a easy fight for Williams ( too much punch output) unless Floyd has some SRL in him.

[wpink1]

courtdawg..finall thing you have to consider quality of opposition when your on her saying no other fighter has done what he has done..etc... Could you imagine Duran fighting these group of fighters, or Leonard.. I am sorry cortdawg...but beating gotti at 140 then Judah and baldomir at 147 and now DLH at 154 when dlh has lost 5-6 of his last 10 -12 fights is not a great accomplishment..

[cortdawg25]

Pinky that 21 - 24 anaylsis was pure comedy. i'ma just let that one go. From what I read in your post, your whole argument is based off IFs and opinion. SRL was great fighter from what i've seen of his tapes, i'm not doubting that I just don't think he is better and has more skill than Floyd. Yeah Leonard had great power which bailed him out of his situation. I believe u cal that digging deep. floyd's skills are so surpass everyone esle right now that he doesn't have to dig deep. He has never been in trouble nor will he by anybody at da moment. Cotto is prolly is biggest competition at the time. Williams doesn't have the skills yet. his jab is OK, he is no Hearns or forrest for that matter. And Floyd is no Mosley or Jones, he's alot better than they are when they were in there prime. Williams doesn't have an inside game all he has is a sideways jab that he throws frequently to set up his 1-2 punch. He is not very fast, he just looked fast against Margarito. floyd is great inside fighter and has already fought someone who throws a jab like williams in N'dou. Now granted williams is longer no doubt, but I still don't see him as threat based on lack of inside fighting.