Floyd's opposition

[Wiley Hyena]

And to actually provide links of my own:

A Conference call with Floyd Mayweather Jr, on May 16th, 2005, 6 weeks until the Gatti fight:



http://www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=3873&more=1

Just look up the past thread "Mayweather and the 5 Bums"....it's all there plain as day.

[sonofisis]

Just look up the past thread "Mayweather and the 5 Bums"....it's all there plain as day.

I remember that thread and you had no links there.

[Wiley Hyena]

I remember that thread and you had no links there.

Then you don't have a very good memory. Check it for yourself. All the links are there.

[warp1432]

I just checked the topic. I don't feel like bumping an old topic so I'll just reply here:

Tszyu fought in 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2005. He was top ten p4p in all those years. He began that period of time as the Jr. Welter Weight unified undisputed champion (the first to do it in 30 years). During the mid portion of that period he held two titles, and finally lost the IBF title to Ricky Hatton in June 2005. He retired after that fight at age 36. During this period, there were no serious inquiries from the Floyd camp about a fight against Tszyu. Cheap talk, no walk.

Ironically you went on to say:

Kostya Tszyu: "It would be a great fight. I fought his uncle (Roger-W 12 in '95 in Newcastle, Australia) who's training him now. It would be good to fight him too. I remember after Olympic Games ('96) we were in same room as Bob Arum, he just started his career. I already was world champion. It would be a good, good matchup. If the short time will be able to produce this match, it will be a great fight."

Once again this was just cheap talk. It wasn't serious at all. Come on, you actually expect him to say on his own website that he doesn't want to fight Floyd.

October 25, 2004
www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=2064&more=1

ARGUMENT:
Just as I always said, Tszyu was always open to any top contender at 140, ESPECIALLY Floyd. Floyd simply did not want any piece of Tszyu. Who knows, maybe uncle Roger didn't like the idea?

You will note that Tszyu destroyed Sharmba Mitchell (4 knockdowns and KO in the 3rd) on November 6, 2004. Tszyu remained unsigned and available to take a fight with Floyd for roughly two months after that fight. Mayweather didn't sign to fight Gatti until after January 30, 2005.

Not only did you give a faulty link there's a couple of things here.

1. "Floyd for roughly two months after the fight. Mayweather didn't sign to fight Gatti until January 30, 2005."


Talks for Gatti Mayweather were already underway anyway. Just because he signed the contract until then doesn't mean talks were already underway. That and Floyd was scheduled to fight Henry Brusles in the mean time as a warm up/elimination match for Gatti to become a PPV star.

If Tszyu really really wanted a fight with Floyd he would have pressed for it during these two months. Floyd was trying to becoming a PPV star, but probably would have sorted something out with him if he was willing to fight Floyd. Also keep in mind that Gatti was being really stubborn to negociate with, so if Tszyu really wanted to fight Floyd* they probably would have come up with something.


2. "Floyd simply did not want any piece of Tszyu."

This was not true as there have been articles/ Floyd called him out after the Jesus Chavez fight. Floyd was open to fighting Tszyu as much as Tszyu was open to fighting Floyd. There were just not serious talks about it.

*When I say Tszyu didn't really want to fight Floyd, he did. Just not that bad I guess, since he never really pushed his promoter to get the fight.

edit: Forgot to mention the fact that Floyd was scheduled to fight Henry Bruesles to become Gatti's mandatory. It was obvious that Floyd wanted to become a PPV star first to then create superfights for the future with either Shane, Tszyu, or Oscar. However, since Gatti's camp was stubborn, Tszyu could have come to the table if he wanted. I am sure there would have been much more money involed if he had fought Floyd insted of Hatton.

That and after Floyd destroyed Gatti this fight could have happened if Tszyu would have waited to fight Floyd.

"Well he wanted to keep busy"

Then he could have picked an easier opponnet then Hatton.

The only way this fight couldn't have happened if Hatton was Tszyu's Mandatory, but I don't think he was because he had just defended the title in November.

[Wiley Hyena]

I just checked the topic. I don't feel like bumping an old topic so I'll just reply here:



Ironically you went on to say:



Once again this was just cheap talk. It wasn't serious at all. Come on, you actually expect him to say on his own website that he doesn't want to fight Floyd.



Not only did you give a faulty link there's a couple of things here.

1. "Floyd for roughly two months after the fight. Mayweather didn't sign to fight Gatti until January 30, 2005."


Talks for Gatti Mayweather were already underway anyway. Just because he signed the contract until then doesn't mean talks were already underway. That and Floyd was scheduled to fight Henry Brusles in the mean time as a warm up/elimination match for Gatti to become a PPV star.

If Tszyu really really wanted a fight with Floyd he would have pressed for it during these two months. Floyd was trying to becoming a PPV star, but probably would have sorted something out with him if he was willing to fight Floyd. Also keep in mind that Gatti was being really stubborn to negociate with, so if Tszyu really wanted to fight Floyd* they probably would have come up with something.


2. "Floyd simply did not want any piece of Tszyu."

This was not true as there have been articles/ Floyd called him out after the Jesus Chavez fight. Floyd was open to fighting Tszyu as much as Tszyu was open to fighting Floyd. There were just not serious talks about it.

*When I say Tszyu didn't really want to fight Floyd, he did. Just not that bad I guess, since he never really pushed his promoter to get the fight.

edit: Forgot to mention the fact that Floyd was scheduled to fight Henry Bruesles to become Gatti's mandatory. It was obvious that Floyd wanted to become a PPV star first to then create superfights for the future with either Shane, Tszyu, or Oscar. However, since Gatti's camp was stubborn, Tszyu could have come to the table if he wanted. I am sure there would have been much more money involed if he had fought Floyd insted of Hatton.

That and after Floyd destroyed Gatti this fight could have happened if Tszyu would have waited to fight Floyd.

"Well he wanted to keep busy"

Then he could have picked an easier opponnet then Hatton.

The only way this fight couldn't have happened if Hatton was Tszyu's Mandatory, but I don't think he was because he had just defended the title in November.

Sorry to disappoint, but you needed to further review Dios' post in that same thread where he set forth an article where Floyd even admits to wanting Gatti first before he got around to Tszyu. So now we have it from Tszyu's mouth and Floyd's. But, I guess your analytical skills can take that apart as well. lmao

[warp1432]

Fine then, if Floyd wanted Gatti first then this fight still could have happened. It's not like he ducked him like you keep saying.

[Wiley Hyena]

Fine then, if Floyd wanted Gatti first then this fight still could have happened. It's not like he ducked him like you keep saying.

Well, he had the chance to fight Tszyu and he took a washed up Gatti instead. So, you can call it whatever you want. I call it a cynical business move by the most elusive businessman the sport has seen since Roy Jones, Jr.

You don't skip out on Tszyu and then call yourself "the greatest that ever lived" and expect those who know the sport to swallow it.

[Jim Jeffries]

Fine then, if Floyd wanted Gatti first then this fight still could have happened. It's not like he ducked him like you keep saying.

But we do know that Floyd chose the MUCH easier match to win a title at 140.

[sonofisis]

Well, he had the chance to fight Tszyu and

When? You've yet to establish any interest coming from Tszyu either. The burden is not on Mayweather. If that's the case, since Tszyu was the champ, he was DUCKING a good challenge by not pressing for the fight (according to your distorted logic).

But we do know that Floyd chose the MUCH easier match to win a title at 140.

How was it Floyd's choice that Ricky Hatton didn't want to fight him after Gatti and before Gatti, Tszyu didn't want to fight him? Floyd wasn't Tszyu's mandatory, he was Gatti's, so he couldn't make Tszyu do anything. Tszyu should have pushed for the fight then, but he didn't and HE chose the easier opponent in Hatton and still lost.

[Vladimir303]

Sorry to disappoint, but you needed to further review Dios' post in that same thread where he set forth an article where Floyd even admits to wanting Gatti first before he got around to Tszyu.

That is not true. No such article exists. Stop making **** up.