Pac over-rated???

[JoartCC]

first things first im a pac fan and i enjoy watching him fight. However I cant help but think he gets a little too much credit for his wins over morales and barera. Whilst he impressively beat them both twice, we can all agree they were out their primes and not the same fighters we saw in morales v barera 1. Pac was also schooled by marquez quite comfortably in their first fight. Since being with roach his skills have undoubtedly improved and he has become a much more rounded fighter. I look forward to the rematch with marquez as i expect a very exciting fight, but ultimately a fight which marquez wins by decision. If Pac decides to move up to lightweight and fight baby bull i think he loses another decision as well and possibly gets stopped. I have to laugh when people suggest pac is p4p number one as well. Whilst im no fan of floyd its obvious that a p4p fight between these guys would end in a one sided beating, pac is far too crude for a guy like floyd. Before everyone starts hating on me i do think pac is a top 10 p4p guy and is an exciting fighter, i just dont like it when people act like he's an unbeatable superstar for beating up on faded greats. thoughts??

Your parents brought you up to be a liar and a hypocrite.

[SnoopySmurf]

dude you're going around in circles w/ your excuses. you're saying marquez aint no spring chicken at 32 thats why it was a close fight w/ mab, then suddenly you build him up to school pac for the rematch, so which is which? they had a common elite opponent in mab but who made a stronger statement? definitely not jmm, pac outbox barrera.

and who do you have at the top5 p4p?

We've got Duran is god cornered. He's stepped into every bait I've laid.

[SnoopySmurf]

Your parents brought you up to be a liar and a hypocrite.

You know, this thread was actually quite good until you showed up. Leave now.

[DURAN_IS_GOD]

Your parents brought you up to be a liar and a hypocrite.

dude this is a boxing forum where opinions are varied and everyone is entitled to one. grow up and go away

[DURAN_IS_GOD]

We've got Duran is god cornered. He's stepped into every bait I've laid.

lol maybe so!! no seriously though i think marquez will beat pac when they fight again,and im basing that on the fact that marquez although into his thirties has peaked at a different time to barera and morales so his age wont be a factor... surely you agree with that??

[bigsmoothh]

no matter in any sort of way u put it. people are still goin to have there bull**** beliefs and have pac as #1 p4p. and some of them even think theres a rivalry between mex & phil. its crazy i mean u had humberto soto, joan guzman, j diaz. but nooooo you had to take the barerra fight. yeah ok.

[JoartCC]

You know, this thread was actually quite good until you showed up. Leave now.

You're a whiner then

Still is.

Get off my nuts.

[Unseen]

manny outboxed a 34 year old barera who's had brawl after brawl.... a barera who couldn't fight in anything other than spits and spats to pace himself.... as for marquez, well he's no spring chicken either, he's 32 i believe? may be wrong. by the time they get round to fighting again marquez will be even older. and you make the point that he got a draw against marquez... well aside from the first two rounds where marquez grossly under-rated pacs punching power, marquez gave him a boxing lesson

well perhaps the worse thing for pac was to get 3 kd's in the first round. he seemed to have thought he won it and lost concentration.

[DURAN_IS_GOD]

well perhaps the worse thing for pac was to get 3 kd's in the first round. he seemed to have thought he won it and lost concentration.

hey very possible mate but i think it was more a case of JMM under-rating pacs power!! big mistake... once he adjusted he put on a masterclass

[bigsmoothh]

i dont thinkmarquez is on his top level right now and i really dont think hell beat pac honestly. **** i rather see soto or diaz hand pacs ass to him but we all know he aint gonna take a risk. sooner or later some young hungry boxer is gonna beat him though.