How's Pavlik not in anyone's P4P list?

[PRboxingfan]

I have Pavlik at 11 so, on the outside looking in.

You don't rate P4P on how long a career a person has but on his skills. Calzaghe has shown he has the skills to beat almost any fighter out there if they were equal in size/weight (the only exception is PBF, of course). Calzaghe's style at 130 beats Pac; at 160 beats Pavlik (we might see this one at 168); at 122 he beats Vazquez or Marquez.

That's how you rate a P4P fighter. Yes, their record plays a part because you can only see a fighter's true skills when he's in the ring against good fighters but, overall, you have to rank on a fighter's abilities and skills above his record/opponents.

[-Hyperion-]

I would say a Zertuche or Zuniga would equal a Torres or Quintana. Malignaggi is a much better win than Judah, but Miguel has better standouts with Paulie, Zab and now Shane. It's cool to see you have Pavlik in your list though.

BTW, what do you think of Ricky Hatton being an "honorary Mexican" supported by Castillo and Barrera? I always wondered what a real Mexican thinks of Hatton.

he is ****, he;s an honorary mexican luchador but as a boxer he is a ****ing shame........(#11 p4p...sadly....)

as you can see i CANT stand dirty fighters...

[-Antonio-]

It's crazy how there is seven Welterweights in the top 20.

[WLAD OWNS]

Miranda is overrrated as hell if he's considered a benchmark. Randall Bailey has done more than Miranda.

That's a crime to compare Miranda to a bum like Randall Bailey. Miranda is a very good, extremely dangerous fighter. He has solid wins over Allan Green,Eastman,Gibbs,etc. Miranda also Owned Arthur Abraham, he broke his jaw and he got robbed on the scorecards, Abraham got the hometown decison and the ref deducted 4 points from Miranda during the fight.

Miranda is a far more dangerous opponent than Judah or Malignaggi.

[-Hyperion-]

That's a crime to compare Miranda to a bum like Randall Bailey. Miranda is a very good, extremely dangerous fighter. He has solid wins over Allan Green,Eastman,Gibbs,etc. Miranda also Owned Arthur Abraham, he broke his jaw and he got robbed on the scorecards, Abraham got the hometown decison and the ref deducted 4 points from Miranda during the fight.

Miranda is a far more dangerous opponent than Judah or Malignaggi.

at leats Bailey, Judah an Paulie have been champions...........and you know nothing about boxing if you think Miranda won 9 rounds vs Abraham

[WLAD OWNS]

at leats Bailey, Judah an Paulie have been champions...........and you know nothing about boxing if you think Miranda won 9 rounds vs Abraham

I never said Miranda won 9 rounds. I thought the fight was close, but Miranda had the edge. Look at both fighters faces after the fight and tell me who you think really won.

[Unseen]

Calzaghe deserves to be in the top ten no doubt about it. All I'm saying is how's Pavlik not in it. Miranda has beat Allan Green who would beat anyone Lacy had fought prior to Calzaghe and Kessler won his two belts from Siaca 18-4 and a shockingly weak beltholder Beyer. Pavlik and Taylor are better than those two guys. I guess all you have to do is move to supermiddle weight

i htink it has soemthing to do with having some experience aswell. i mean he may very well be top p4p in the future, but it depends on a few things. who he fights and how well he does.

calz aint had a very close fight. he is a compete boxer and can punch when he wants to. he's been there for 10 years. yes he hasn't fought the very best, but then it's boxing for you. if there was a elagu system and people ahd to fight each other it would be great. no ego's just get on with it.

pavlik has great ko power but he ahsnt been 12 rounds. he hasnt defended his belt yet. consistancy will always prove who is the best. i mean tarver may have been up there but hes not p4p.

[-Hyperion-]

I never said Miranda won 9 rounds. I thought the fight was close, but Miranda had the edge. Look at both fighters faces after the fight and tell me who you think really won.

doesnt matter, miranda got deducted 5 points, he needed 9 rounds to win the fight.....so he wasnt robbed in the scorecards.....

[-Antonio-]

That's a crime to compare Miranda to a bum like Randall Bailey. Miranda is a very good, extremely dangerous fighter. He has solid wins over Allan Green,Eastman,Gibbs,etc. Miranda also Owned Arthur Abraham, he broke his jaw and he got robbed on the scorecards, Abraham got the hometown decison and the ref deducted 4 points from Miranda during the fight.

Miranda is a far more dangerous opponent than Judah or Malignaggi.

Thats just hilarious. Miranda is overrated as hell on these forums.

[demirturk]

That's a crime to compare Miranda to a bum like Randall Bailey. Miranda is a very good, extremely dangerous fighter. He has solid wins over Allan Green,Eastman,Gibbs,etc. Miranda also Owned Arthur Abraham, he broke his jaw and he got robbed on the scorecards, Abraham got the hometown decison and the ref deducted 4 points from Miranda during the fight.

Miranda is a far more dangerous opponent than Judah or Malignaggi.

exactly !!!