How's Pavlik not in anyone's P4P list?

[-Hyperion-]

i have him at #10.............

[ßringer]

1 or two more fights tops and Kelly will crack the list. He's just at the early stage of his career right now. And this is coming from a big Pavlik fan.

[WLAD OWNS]

1 or two more fights tops and Kelly will crack the list. He's just at the early stage of his career right now. And this is coming from a big Pavlik fan.

I disagree, Jermain Taylor was immediately put in the p4p list after he beat Hopkins and became the Undisputed Middleweight champion. Pavlik recently knocked the Hopkins killer out cold to become the champ, why shouldn't he be in the top p4p rankings?

[ßringer]

I disagree, Jermain Taylor was immediately put in the p4p list after he beat Hopkins and became the Undisputed Middleweight champion. Pavlik recently knocked the Hopkins killer out cold to become the champ, why shouldn't he be in the top p4p rankings?

That's because Taylor's win over Hopkins was at a time when it was historic (even though I think Bernard beat him the first time out). Pavlik's win over Taylor was at a time when everybody questioned Taylor's legitimacy. Don't get me wrong, I think Pavlik should already be up in the list, but he only has 2 standout wins. Most guys on that list have much more than that.

[WLAD OWNS]

That's because Taylor's win over Hopkins was at a time when it was historic (even though I think Bernard beat him the first time out). Pavlik's win over Taylor was at a time when everybody questioned Taylor's legitimacy. Don't get me wrong, I think Pavlik should already be up in the list, but he only has 2 standout wins. Most guys on that list have much more than that.

I know what you're saying, but how can that fat **** Dan Rafael have someone like Cotto at number 6 in his p4p rankings when Cotto has only beat one elite fighter in Shane Mosley(I don't consider Judah an elite fighter anymore). Pavlik's resume is just as impressive as Cotto's IMO and he gets left out. Cotto has never been an undisputed champion like Pavlik either. Where will you put Pavlik in the p4p rankings after he easily KO's Taylor in the rematch?

[RockyMarciano]

hes not on there because hes not a p4p fighter yet...

[ßringer]

I know what you're saying, but how can that fat **** Dan Rafael have someone like Cotto at number 6 in his p4p rankings when Cotto has only beat one elite fighter in Shane Mosley(I don't consider Judah an elite fighter anymore). Pavlik's resume is just as impressive as Cotto's IMO and he gets left out. Cotto has never been an undisputed champion like Pavlik either. Where will you put Pavlik in the p4p rankings after he easily KO's Taylor in the rematch?

Pavlik definitely has a better record than Cotto, as far as better overall competition. But sadly some people still think Zab Judah is a great fighter, thus being the reason Cotto ranks above him. Take away Mosley and I don't see anybody Cotto beat who was better than the guys Pavlik KO'd.

[-Hyperion-]

Pavlik definitely has a better record than Cotto, as far as better overall competition. But sadly some people still think Zab Judah is a great fighter, thus being the reason Cotto ranks above him. Take away Mosley and I don't see anybody Cotto beat who was better than the guys Pavlik KO'd.

i disagree.. it think cotto's record is VERY solid..however i think Judah is a win in the level of his Malignaggi win....hell Paulie gave him a harder fight....BUT HE DIDNT HAVE A SIGNATURE WIN, which is why before the Mosley fight i couldnt believe people had Cotto in p4p lists....only now that hes beaten Mosley i have him at #9 (i have Pavlik at #10) only because his record is stronger than Pavliks overall....

[ßringer]

i disagree.. it think cotto's record is VERY solid..however i think Judah is a win in the level of his Malignaggi win....hell Paulie gave him a harder fight....BUT HE DIDNT HAVE A SIGNATURE WIN, which is why before the Mosley fight i couldnt believe people had Cotto in p4p lists....only now that hes beaten Mosley i have him at #9 (i have Pavlik at #10) only because his record is stronger than Pavliks overall....

I would say a Zertuche or Zuniga would equal a Torres or Quintana. Malignaggi is a much better win than Judah, but Miguel has better standouts with Paulie, Zab and now Shane. It's cool to see you have Pavlik in your list though.

BTW, what do you think of Ricky Hatton being an "honorary Mexican" supported by Castillo and Barrera? I always wondered what a real Mexican thinks of Hatton.

[-Antonio-]

Miranda is overrrated as hell if he's considered a benchmark. Randall Bailey has done more than Miranda.