Kelly Pavlik - Have I missed something?

[MickyHatton]

When you beat 'the man' that is automatically enough. Period. It's not always about technical 'skills' (who decides these anyway) and length of reign.

Cant agree, did that make Buster Douglas or Hasim Rahman a top ten LB for LB fighter then?

[MickyHatton]

Partialy true. I dont think you saw those fights..

I saw both fights and in essence he is right, certainly against Taylor.

[Super_Lightweight]

Heavyweights are never on the p4p list anyway, for whatever reason.

An example would be Hatton's upset of Tyszu. BOOM...instant p4p status. It's well deserved, and if the fighter isn't that good, then eventually he will get beaten and lose that status (as Douglas quickly did).

[MickyHatton]

...ummmmm what?

Kessler was a tested Champion, whats makes Pavlik any better than him???

Seriously?

[Newyorkknicks07]

Pavlik is deffinitley not top ten P4P, and if he manages to lose Pavlik-Taylor II he is screwed. IMO, beating Taylor doesn't mean much and when Taylor runs around the ring and punches here and there, Pavlik will not be able to win. If it wasn't for the KO, Pavlik probably wouldn't have won the Taylor fight to start with.

[MickyHatton]

Heavyweights are never on the p4p list anyway, for whatever reason.

An example would be Hatton's upset of Tyszu. BOOM...instant p4p status. It's well deserved, and if the fighter isn't that good, then eventually he will get beaten and lose that status (as Douglas quickly did).

Lewis and Tyson certainly were?

Hatton was actually a long reigning Champion albeit a Micky Mouse one, Pavlik has come from almost obscurity?

[The Noose]

Heavyweights are never on the p4p list anyway, for whatever reason.
An example would be Hatton's upset of Tyszu. BOOM...instant p4p status. It's well deserved, and if the fighter isn't that good, then eventually he will get beaten and lose that status (as Douglas quickly did).

Yes they are. http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.ph...r_Pound--1980s

[C'MONMANG']

Kessler deserves to be ahead of Pavlik.

because of his belts? LOL

[C'MONMANG']

Pavlik is deffinitley not top ten P4P, and if he manages to lose Pavlik-Taylor II he is screwed. IMO, beating Taylor doesn't mean much and when Taylor runs around the ring and punches here and there, Pavlik will not be able to win. If it wasn't for the KO, Pavlik probably wouldn't have won the Taylor fight to start with.

i resepct your opinion, i just think you dead wrong

[kayjay]

He's performed very well in two big fights, knocking the #1 andf the champ unconscious. That's enough to get him close.

But I agree with you Mickey, he's not top ten material just yet, and he has noticeable and obvious flaws in his game. He gets nervous when hit.

How could Pavlik possibly be ahead of Wlad Klitschko? That makes no sense.

Kessler should be ahead of Pavlik.

Cotto should be ahead of Pavlik on longevity and number of championship fights.

Hatton definitely needs to be ahead of Pavlik, this is not in question.

Hopkins, Wright, etc. go without saying.

Pacquio, Marquez, ahead of Pavlik.

Maybe around #15, with Chad Dawson and Ruslan Chagaev.