Hopkins: "I'll Hand Calzaghe His First Loss"

[moofo]

I think I gave you a break ON THE SUBJECT.

Trying to change it doesn't alter the score.

Me 1.

You nothing.

So you are saying Joe isn't in the class of Taylor Winky or Tarver?
Joe beats all 3 of those easier than Borenard throwing 12 shots whilst on his bike.
Oh hang on he lost to Taylor...
Joe has the speed and the power and ring savvy to take the piss out of B-hype.#
Joe isn't some green fighter without a boxing brain.

[Mozza]

So you are saying Joe isn't in the class of Taylor Winky or Tarver?
Joe beats all 3 of those easier than Borenard throwing 12 shots whilst on his bike.
Oh hang on he lost to Taylor...
Joe has the speed and the power and ring savvy to take the piss out of B-hype.#
Joe isn't some green fighter without a boxing brain.

Taylor wanted absolutely nothing to do with Calzaghe. He knows better. I find it a little bit insulting that anyone would compare Tarver to Calzaghe. Tarver never has and never will be on the same level as Joe. Winky is a fantastic fighter but if it came down to it I think Calzaghe beats him every time.

[T-97]

I think that joe calzaghe would win on points. I don;t think, after seeing the winky wright fight, that hopkins will be able to out box joe, and look at the guys tht most said would KO him ( lacy and kessler(to some extent)) but i also dont think that joe would knock him out. I say UD for Calzaghe. Funnily this fight was meant to happen twice already years ago, and one time they were about to sign but hopkins pulled out to fight someone else.

[IMDAZED]

All due respect to Joe Calzaghe who is a fantastic fighter - but if Bernard Hopkins can outwork Winky Wright and crack his guard; the old line about how Bernard can't increase his workrate or adapt is as old as last year.

People are too caught up in the popcorn era of Bernard Hopkins when the media was putting impressions in folks heads about what type of fighter Hopkins is and was.

Aside from his losses to notable athletic foes Hopkins has always done whatever is required of him to win fights. He's not a robot who throws a specific number of punches regardless of what's going on.

I've been watching Hops for a LONG time - not sure what media impression you're referring to. In any case, I don't put much stock in that Winky bout. He outmuscled Winky and kept him off balance. The first part of that equation will be very very difficult to accomplish against Calzaghe. Winky was out of his weight class and, quite frankly, out of his prime too. Winky Wright and Joe C are two very different fighters. Again, i fail to see HOW Hops can beat him.

[Addison]

So you are saying Joe isn't in the class of Taylor Winky or Tarver?
Joe beats all 3 of those easier than Borenard throwing 12 shots whilst on his bike.
Oh hang on he lost to Taylor...
Joe has the speed and the power and ring savvy to take the piss out of B-hype.#
Joe isn't some green fighter without a boxing brain.

With Joe himself saying that he has the most trouble with fighters who stand back and counterpunch we have to consider the possibility that both Winky Wright and Bernard Hopkins are potential foils for Joe Calzaghe. Beating up conventional fighters the way that Joe has is nothing those two couldn't do either. What happens when they fight each other we don't yet know for sure. But we do know that Winky and Bernard were ranked higher than Joe at every point in history before the present.

Beating a fighter like Kessler means nothing in terms of Joe's prospects if he takes on the "legends" he has referred to.

The Joe hype is brilliant, but it don't change everything about reality.

[kevtwin]

Hopkins wont take the fight and will get his people to offer Joe an outrageously low fee to make him refuse the bout.
Lets look at facts

Fact, Hopkins will be 43 and fighting a 35 year old who is as fast as he was 5 years ago and definately as fit.
Fact, Hopkins can land punches but Joe is not stoppable, and has a chin of granite. Even when hit hard by Kessler, he was always aware and threw back immediately.

fact, Joes jab is underrated (look at the left of Kesslers face) and he just keeps popping it out all night.
fact, joe will enter the ring for the first time with the weight he has always wanted to bring to bear. He will punch harder and more accurately than Hopkins imagines.

Fact, Hopkins simply does not respect Joe, and believes he will just have to turn up on the night - he will be proved badly wrong if it goes ahead.

Fact, on the night, Joe will have 12 hard rounds in him, Hopkins wont. joe will throw around 1000 punches and even if only 30% land it will be a long night for hopkins

fact -43 is too old to be taking on a motivated, fast accurate and skilful champion with the heart of a lion.

Hopkins will be stopped late on in the fight, i have no doubts whatsoever.

Executioner executed -period

[Addison]

I've been watching Hops for a LONG time - not sure what media impression you're referring to. In any case, I don't put much stock in that Winky bout. He outmuscled Winky and kept him off balance. The first part of that equation will be very very difficult to accomplish against Calzaghe. Winky was out of his weight class and, quite frankly, out of his prime too. Winky Wright and Joe C are two very different fighters. Again, i fail to see HOW Hops can beat him.

If you've been watching Hopkins for longer as you say; then why would this even come up? You talked about the number of punches thrown.

Hopkins throws more punches as required.

[kayjay]

With Joe himself saying that he has the most trouble with fighters who stand back and counterpunch we have to consider the possibility that both Winky Wright and Bernard Hopkins are potential foils for Joe Calzaghe. Beating up conventional fighters the way that Joe has is nothing those two couldn't do either. What happens when they fight each other we don't yet know for sure. But we do know that Winky and Bernard were ranked higher than Joe at every point in history before the present.

Beating a fighter like Kessler means nothing in terms of Joe's prospects if he takes on the "legends" he has referred to.

The Joe hype is brilliant, but it don't change everything about reality.

Winky? I like Winky, loved him against Mosley especially, but Winky wouldn't stand a chance against Calz. Winky was an OUTSTANDING 154 lber, a good middleweight who was still overpowered in drawing Taylor. He doesn't go above that.

[Tiger Ali Singh]

Hopkins wont take the fight and will get his people to offer Joe an outrageously low fee to make him refuse the bout.
Lets look at facts

Fact, Hopkins will be 43 and fighting a 35 year old who is as fast as he was 5 years ago and definately as fit.
Fact, Hopkins can land punches but Joe is not stoppable, and has a chin of granite. Even when hit hard by Kessler, he was always aware and threw back immediately.

fact, Joes jab is underrated (look at the left of Kesslers face) and he just keeps popping it out all night.
fact, joe will enter the ring for the first time with the weight he has always wanted to bring to bear. He will punch harder and more accurately than Hopkins imagines.

Fact, Hopkins simply does not respect Joe, and believes he will just have to turn up on the night - he will be proved badly wrong if it goes ahead.

Fact, on the night, Joe will have 12 hard rounds in him, Hopkins wont. joe will throw around 1000 punches and even if only 30% land it will be a long night for hopkins

fact -43 is too old to be taking on a motivated, fast accurate and skilful champion with the heart of a lion.

Hopkins will be stopped late on in the fight, i have no doubts whatsoever.

Executioner executed -period

best post ever!!

[IMDAZED]

If you've been watching Hopkins for longer as you say; then why would this even come up? You talked about the number of punches thrown.

Hopkins throws more punches as required.

I don't agree with that last statement. If he did, he wouldn't have lost to Jermain Taylor - ever. Although, I don't think he did. And yes, I've been watching him for a while - I do not see him being able to outthink Joe like has so many others simply because he won't be given the amount of time to operate that others did - like Tarver.