Did Kessler get a draw?

[MickyHatton]

i think i had it 7 to joe 1 drawn and 4 to kessler from memory.

i go more for quality of the shots than quantity.

if fighter A lands 10 punches without phasing his opponent and fighter B lands 1 punch that does hurt his opponent.. ive got to give it to fighter B.. that's pro boxing for me..

I see your point but that's not the rules is it?

The rules state that a scoring point is given when a shot without being blocked, lands directly with the knuckle part of the closed glove on any part of the front or sides of the head or body (excluding arms) above the belt; and
does not infringe the rules (i.e. is not a foul); and connects with the weight of the body or shoulder.

Otherwise true boxers with no power could ever win a fight?

Most of Calzaghe shots although not earth shattering do connect with force hence Kessler's eye was jabbed almost shut.

[mgkirkpatrick]

well there you go ive never heard the proper definition if that's it. 'a scoring point is given' sounds kind of amateurish..

ive always gone with the age old..

if you had to change places with one of them for that round.. who would you rather it be.

[mgkirkpatrick]

I see your point but that's not the rules is it?

The rules state that a scoring point is given when a shot without being blocked, lands directly with the knuckle part of the closed glove on any part of the front or sides of the head or body (excluding arms) above the belt; and
does not infringe the rules (i.e. is not a foul); and connects with the weight of the body or shoulder.

Otherwise true boxers with no power could ever win a fight?

Most of Calzaghe shots although not earth shattering do connect with force hence Kessler's eye was jabbed almost shut.

i guess i over exaggerated my point. i just mean that if you have to make a call between quantity and quality ive always leant towards quality

[PRboxingfan]

well there you go ive never heard the proper definition if that's it. 'a scoring point is given' sounds kind of amateurish..

ive always gone with the age old..

if you had to change places with one of them for that round.. who would you rather it be.

That's exactly how I score fight. At the end of the round, I imagine which fighter I'd rather have traded places with in that round. The fighter I pick is the fighter that won the round.

This of course supposes that you're not a masochist and wouldn't trade places with the guy who got hit more/harder, lol.

[RAESAAD]

Judge "Raul Cais" scored rounds 4,7 and 12 for Kessler
John stewart scored rounds 2,4,5 and 12 for Kessler
The Italian judge scored 2,4,5,10 (not 12???!) for Kessler

Amongst the 3 judges you can find 6 different rounds for Kessler (personally i would give round 1 to Kessler too) so i guess You could make the argument that Kessler got robbed!!

I saw it exactly how John Stewart saw it and there is no ****ing way it was a draw or Kessler got robbed.......

[SHB]

i guess i over exaggerated my point. i just mean that if you have to make a call between quantity and quality ive always leant towards quality

Some people seem to be confusing quality with power.

Kessler probably landed heavier blows but that is because he was going for those. Calzaghe's weren't as powerful but they were more accurate and more in number. Plus he was hit a lot less.

Although as Kessler suffered a closed left eye and all Calzaghe got was a sc**** above the bridge of his nose then I guess Calzaghe's shots must have had some sting in them.

[mgkirkpatrick]

and i think some people are confusing what im trying to say.. which is probably down to my poor articulation.

anyhow lets just say i scored this fight the same as stewart with the first round split so pretty much the same as you lot.

i do differentiate between power and quality..

i think kessler's right crosses and right upper cuts were the best shots of the fight..

calzaghe does have some pop in his punches

and there's no doubt he was the victor.

[MickyHatton]

and i think some people are confusing what im trying to say.. which is probably down to my poor articulation.

anyhow lets just say i scored this fight the same as stewart with the first round split so pretty much the same as you lot.

i do differentiate between power and quality..

i think kessler's right crosses and right upper cuts were the best shots of the fight..

calzaghe does have some pop in his punches

and there's no doubt he was the victor.

No I understood and to a degree I am on the same page as you. I was merely pointing out that the rules have to be set otherwise we wouldn't get anywhere i.e. the soring process must be defined otherwise some judges would score far differently to others.

Kessler's shots were definitely the more dangerous ones and a lot of times Calzaghe throws arm punches but they are hurtful punches.

Therefore I was only making the point that if someone lands a 'bomb' it is no different scoring wise than a well delivered jab.

[T-97]

I havent seen the fight but by the sound of it joe won clearly, i will have the fight on dvd soon ause my friend recorded it and i can make an honest opinion.

[-Hyperion-]

calzaghe won rounds 1,3, a close 5th, clear 6,7,8,9,10,11...

kessler won 2,4 and 12...