The most complete fighter fighting today

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You didn't see him rival Calzaghe's technical skills in their life and death fight?

I have come to realize that a complete fighter just doesn't exist. No one has all their skills be perfectly balanced. This means that anyone who tries to be a complete, all-around fighter is taking away from their chances to win a fight, because they are getting away from their strengths to try to showcase their weaknesses as strengths.

Winky Wright is not even close to a complete fighter. He is a defensive, counterpuncher with very good technical ability. He would get absolutely ****ing murdered if he tried to swarm someone.

Miguel Cotto is an excellent swarmer. Good power, somewhat quick, relentlessly aggressive, with good stamina. If he tried to showcase other boxing skills that he usually does, in effect, look like Pernell Whitaker, he would be

1. Crushed
And
2. Laughed at for acting like a jackoff and getting his ass handed to him.

I totally agree with your assesments of Wright and Cotto but I think there are a few fighters that can win a fight fighting many different styles when they have to. Calzaghe changed his tactics 3 or 4 times in the fight with Kessler which he needed to otherwise he may have been beaten. Calzaghe could win boxing from the outside using his jab, he could win darting in and out throwing combos, he can win sitting on your chest and swarming you. Calzaghe does everything really well and knows when to do what which makes him a complete all rounder much like Mosely.

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How can he be less effective then Calzaghe coming forward when calzaghe has to slap/punch so he doesnt break his hands after every fight?

Mayweather moved up to 154 and de la hoya momentarily felt the weight of a few of his shots, what you dont take into account is that when you move up 5 weight classes you cant always be gun-ho Marco Antonio barrera or you may get yourself knocked out, that where the skill level of mayweather are so good.

You think if mayweather spent 10 years at 130 he couldnt knock those guys out?

I'd like to see you take one of Calzaghe's slaps and then tell me what you think. Calzaghe does give the impression of slapping by the way he throws punches but he hits hard. He put the granite jawed eubank down when winning the title.

There you go again making assumptions. I have taken moving up in weight into consideration which is why he's not the most complete all round fighter as it's so much more difficult for him to win a fight now by swarming someone.
I never said he can't do it, he can do it in bursts but not for a prolonged period or his chances of winning decrease dramatically. Had he stayed at 130 then yes maybe I'd be picking PBF. But he moved up 5 divisions so he's not as effective trading with the bigger guys which means he can't win any way he chooses. So he is not the most complete all round fighter is he. Stop getting all defensive I'm not criticizing PBF I'm just stating a fact. I know PBF is the greatest boxer on the planet but because he's moved up he is not the most complete all round fighter.

[Technical_Skill]

I'd like to see you take one of Calzaghe's slaps and then tell me what you think. Calzaghe does give the impression of slapping by the way he throws punches but he hits hard. He put the granite jawed eubank down when winning the title.

There you go again making assumptions. I have taken moving up in weight into consideration which is why he's not the most complete all round fighter as it's so much more difficult for him to win a fight now by swarming someone.
I never said he can't do it, he can do it in bursts but not for a prolonged period or his chances of winning decrease dramatically. Had he stayed at 130 then yes maybe I'd be picking PBF. But he moved up 5 divisions so he's not as effective trading with the bigger guys which means he can't win any way he chooses. So he is not the most complete all round fighter is he. Stop getting all defensive I'm not criticizing PBF I'm just stating a fact. I know PBF is the greatest boxer on the planet but because he's moved up he is not the most complete all round fighter.

Stop being oversenstive, calzaghe slaps, but he does slap hard, the eubank arguement is worthless because calzaghe's hand were much better then then they are now, guy breaks his hands on a regular basis and had to modify the way he punched.

Course PBF is not as effective with trading with the bigger guys, who is? Roy Jones was an animal coming forward at light heavy but when he moved up to heavy he most likely was more cautious, does that make him less of an offensive fighter, or the more skilled and complete fighter for being able to compete with the best in 4 weight classes?

Same applies to floyd.

[Dynamite Kid]

Course not, so to clarify, your now saying that Mayweather doesnt have the most complete skill set in boxing?

Can floyd win coming forward, i dunno, ask Corrales who was unbeaten and tipped by most pundits to beat floyd, or floyd coming forward with damaged shouler against castillo or coming forward against a near 160 pound arturo gatti.

Mayweather was coming foward whn he beat Corrales was he .lmfao

[Technical_Skill]

Mayweather was coming foward whn he beat Corrales was he .lmfao

Nah, he was walking backwards when he jumped out of the corner as the bell rang and knocked corrales down with a hook

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Nah, he was walking backwards when he jumped out of the corner as the bell rang and knocked corrales down with a hook

if u think PBF stopped Corrales cause he was coming foward then u are a fool he beat him on the back foot counter punching ,so by your logic i take it Corrales was on the retreat somebody is being backed up think about u plonka

u are an idiot maye its plain as day he fought on the back foot and counter punched it stands to reason u are gonna venture foward some times ,that dont mean u fought the fight on the front foot and were coming foward taking it to Corrales no does it

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if u think PBF stopped Corrales cause he was coming foward then u are a fool he beat him on the back foot counter punching ,so by your logic i take it Corrales was on the retreat somebody is being backed up think about u plonka

u are an idiot maye its plain as day he fought on the back foot and counter punched it stands to reason u are gonna venture foward some times ,that dont mean u fought the fight on the front foot and were coming foward taking it to Corrales no does it

So he didnt come forward and knock him down then?

All the all 5 knockdowns came when he was moving backwards did they?

Even the one where corrales was leaning on the ropes and mayweather kept hitting him?



Fact is, he did fight going forwards at points in the fight and yes , he also spend lots of it going backwards, its called ability.

Unless your saying mayweather didnt come forward the entire fight? in which case that would make you blind as well as having ****-breath and needing 24-hour care.

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So he didnt come forward and knock him down then?

All the all 5 knockdowns came when he was moving backwards did they?

Even the one where corrales was leaning on the ropes and mayweather kept hitting him?



Fact is, he did fight going forwards at points in the fight and yes , he also spend lots of it going backwards, its called ability.

Unless your saying mayweather didnt come forward the entire fight? in which case that would make you blind as well as having ****-breath and needing 24-hour care.

[Dynamite Kid]

So he didnt come forward and knock him down then?

All the all 5 knockdowns came when he was moving backwards did they?

Even the one where corrales was leaning on the ropes and mayweather kept hitting him?



Fact is, he did fight going forwards at points in the fight and yes , he also spend lots of it going backwards, its called ability.

Unless your saying mayweather didnt come forward the entire fight? in which case that would make you blind as well as having ****-breath and needing 24-hour care.

Fact is, he did fight going forwards at points , Idiot

he spent more time backing up than he did coming foward a lot more ,are u thick or cant u read i said it stands to reason u are gonne venture foward occasionally but that dont mean u fought on the front foot

Corrales was the one coming foward ,man u are dum or just ignorant ,if PBF came foward and fought on the front foot in any fight it was against Sharmba Mitchell that is coming foward you penis

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Stop being oversenstive, calzaghe slaps, but he does slap hard, the eubank arguement is worthless because calzaghe's hand were much better then then they are now, guy breaks his hands on a regular basis and had to modify the way he punched.

Course PBF is not as effective with trading with the bigger guys, who is? Roy Jones was an animal coming forward at light heavy but when he moved up to heavy he most likely was more cautious, does that make him less of an offensive fighter, or the more skilled and complete fighter for being able to compete with the best in 4 weight classes?

Same applies to floyd.

You're the one that's oversensitive, I only mention PBF's name and you go all defensive much like PBF himself. You obviously haven't watched much of calzaghe as he hasn't modified his punches at all, he's allways had that slapping action even in the amatuers. That's just the way he punches.
How is the Eubank argument worthless he punches the same way he allways has, so he's had hand problems, doesn't mean he's modified his punches and don't hit hard. Look at the punches he was landing on Lacy there was no way he was holding back because of his hands, he still landed about 1000 punches in that fight.

Never said Jones weren't a complete fighter but at Heavyweight he isn't which is obvious. So while PBF was a complete fighter at the lower weights at the heavier weights he isn't. Not that he hasn't got the skill, but he can't at the higher weights win a fight any way he chooses. He chose to move up the weights and mix it with the big boys and he's a great boxer there but not the complete fighter. And I'm talking about fighters today and the current division where they compete. And at light middleweight PBF isn't as a complete fighter as Calzaghe. Also Mosely had moved up in weight and stands more of a chance brawling with the bigger guys than PBF so that makes him IMO more of a complete fighter than PBF.