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  • #81
    I would say Juan Diaz

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    • #82
      Floyd, Hopkins, Mosley

      I'd say Hopkins.

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      • #83
        Originally posted by The_Executioner View Post
        Floyd, Hopkins, Mosley

        I'd say Hopkins.
        Hopkins will be retired soon by Calzaghe.

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        • #84
          I wouldn't say that and Hopkins in his prime at 160 would make Calzaghe his son.

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          • #85
            Originally posted by The_Executioner View Post
            I wouldn't say that and Hopkins in his prime at 160 would make Calzaghe his son.

            Already making excuses for when Hopkins loses eh?

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            • #86
              Give Jorge Linares and Chad Dawson two years and see what happens, methinks.

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              • #87
                Originally posted by The_Executioner View Post
                I wouldn't say that and Hopkins in his prime at 160 would make Calzaghe his son.
                Hopkins lost TWICE to frigging Jermain Taylor are you frigging blind?

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                • #88
                  Calzaghe still leads 32-29 over PBF with Mosley in 3rd with 8.

                  There is some serious nuthugging by the Mayweatherites going on. There is no doubting his ability but his offensive game is no where as good as Mosley's or Calzaghe's.

                  I think this poll proves what a lot of Mayweather fans know about boxing. Naff all and I would say the majority are probably still at school. Why is it a lot of Mayweatherites can't acknowledge any other fighter and his abilities or accomplishments.

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                  • #89
                    Originally posted by hurricane72 View Post
                    There is no doubting his ability [B]but his offensive game is no where as good as Mosley's or Calzaghe's.
                    I still dont understand where you getting this from.

                    How do you judge the offensive 'game' of one fighter who moves up 5 weight classes from his orginal weight?

                    and another fighter who stayed in the same weight class for 10 years.

                    If calzaghe moved up to heavyweight, you think his offensive 'game' would be as good then?

                    Think about what your saying.

                    Unless you are saying Calzaghe is more offensivley skilled than Mayweather, which i really hope your not.
                    Last edited by Technical_Skill; 11-06-2007, 04:21 AM.

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                    • #90
                      In my narrow-minded way of reasoning, there's no such thing as a "most complete" fighter. A fighter is either complete, or he's not. It's as absolute a concept as being pregnant - there's no such thing as being "a little pregnant," it's either you're pregnant, or you're not.
                      Get it?

                      That said, I would approach the issue from this angle: Who comes closest to being a complete fighter? To be a complete fighter, one must have "ring generalship" and all the tools of the trade. There are very few fighters of this calibre in boxing history, let alone today.

                      There may be others today, but those who come the closest - off the top of my head - are, Floyd Maywether, Miguel Cotto, Marco Antonio Barrera and Oscar de la Hoya. Joe Calzaghe, by the way, is not one of those.

                      A fighter's record or success in the ring is not necessarily a direct reflection of "pugilistic versatility." For example, a devastating puncher or "KO artist" can have a perfect record and not demostrate any ring generalship whatsoever.

                      COMPLETE FIGHTERS OF THE PAST:
                      • Sugar Ray Robinson
                      • Henry Armstrong
                      • Joe Louis
                      • Muhammad Ali
                      • Roberto Duran
                      • Marvin Hagler
                      • Sugar Ray Leonard
                      • Thomas Hearns
                      • Julio Cesar Chavez
                      • Alexis Arguello
                      TOOLS OF THE COMPLETE FIGHTER:
                      • Ability to utilize all punches (jab, hook, cross, uppercut) effectively.
                      • Ability to utilize all punches in combinations.
                      • Ability to utilize multiple defensive skills (blocking, slipping, rolling, etc).
                      • Ability to counterpunch (even against the ropes).
                      • Ability to dictate tempo of the fight.
                      • Ability to stalk (cut off the ring on the opponent).
                      • And, yes, ring generalship (whatever that is)
                      Last edited by Panamaniac; 11-06-2007, 12:29 PM.

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