Joe Calzaghe The Biggest Fraud In Boxing History?

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  • Wiley Hyena
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    #41
    Originally posted by sweet pea 50
    How concrete is your evidence that Jones ever juiced Wiley? Is it based of some more he said she said bull****?
    Im not trying to change your mind about who would win this fight. And your not going to change mine.
    What conclusive proof do you have that Jones was shooting up?
    Jones admitted using steroids before a fight in 2000. Here's the article for you to digest for yourself. Sorry to burst your bubble, but Jones is a cheat.

    ROY JONES JR. IS IN DENIAL
    By Elisa Harrison
    Posted: Wednesday, June 09, 2004

    MIAMI, FLA.---I tried very hard to contain myself and not pen my thoughts on the "shocking" loss Roy Jones suffered at the hands of Antonio "Magic Man" Tarver. I thought I had managed to stay out of it, until Friday night that is, when I saw a televised interview of Roy Jones Jr. taped upon arrival in his hometown of Pensacola, Florida. That did it, enough is enough... Roy, you are in serious denial.
    Roy Jones Jr. ... one of boxing's most talented fighters, loved and hated in equal portions by the sweet science's fans, pound for pound king to some, "Reluctant" Roy to others; the man who could do it all and do it well, that is until he met Antonio "Magic Man' Tarver...

    Actually that may not be a true statement, I believe Jones' problems began long before he ever set foot in the ring against Mr. Tarver. Let's rewind to July 18, 2003, shall we?

    On that date Bragging Rights Corner.com in conjunction with Doghouseboxing.com posted an interview by Aladdin Freeman with Richard Hall as Hall was preparing to meet Julian "Mr. KO" Letterlough.

    Hall stated during said interview that Jones had tested positive for anabolic steroids use when the two met back in May of 2000. (Hall neglected to tell Mr. Freeman that he too had tested positive, but his omission didn't go unnoticed or unmentioned when Mr. Freeman and his editor went on a quest for the truth regarding this bit of disturbing news). The events that followed Hall's statement are now part of boxing history.

    Braggingrightscorner.com was accused of posting rumors and gossip, even Jones' trainer Alton Merkerson and Jones' adviser Brad Jacobs came to the rescue but their attempts at damage control couldn't derail the truth. And the truth is that Roy Jones Jr. through his attorney admitted to the Indiana Boxing Commission that he had used steroids prior to this fight. Pursuant to his admission Roy agreed to certain terms and conditions dictated by the Indiana Boxing Commission regarding the episode. (Those of you who doubt internet reporting, please refer to The Ring magazine's January 2004 issue which acknowledges and credits Aladdin Freeman for the report).

    Shortly after Mr. Freeman's story, the BALCO lab story broke BIG, implicating many high profile figures in the world of sports. The lab was shut down and a federal probe is ongoing. As a refresher, BALCO was manufacturing a so called designer drug designed to mask the use of anabolic steroids. While other 'chemists' may achieve similar results in the future, for the time being at least, things have become a bit hairy for some athletes, and the world of boxing whispered the names of Shane Mosley and Roy Jones, Jr. as the two who would probably suffer the most from the demise of the BALCO lab.

    Shane Mosley has fought twice since the BALCO scandal which broke in September 2003, looking horrible against Oscar de la Hoya, (September 2003), (although he was gifted the decision), and even worst against Ronald "Winky" Wright, (March of 2004), (who wouldn't be denied the decision).

    Roy Jones, Jr.'s first performance following the BALCO debacle was against Antonio "Magic Man" Tarver in November of 2003. Do you remember how Roy looked then? To put it in the words of Joe Calzaghe, he looked... "human for a change."

    I was shocked to see Jones looking spent and seemingly out of it in his corner in between rounds, being pummeled by Tarver as he laid against the ropes for a great part of the fight. The bout was close and of course the decision went to Jones Jr. But sometimes in winning, you lose just as much, and Roy lost a lot of credibility here. So what did Roy do? He began to make excuses... ranking in first place was the excuse about having had to come down in weight from the November fight against John Ruiz -never mind that he had six months in which to lose 18 pounds... Heck, I know guys who do that in a fraction of the time, for a whole lot less money and still manage to win fights. He made excuses about other things too, but Antonio Tarver wasn't having any of it.

    Team Tarver pressed the issue and a rematch was agreed to. Roy's pride was on the line; he even said the second time around would be more than personal. This rematch was about Roy Jones Jr. having to save face, plain and simple.

    The encore was scheduled for May 15, 2004, four years and two days following the Richard Hall fight. Oddly enough, Richard Hall was scheduled to fight in the Jones-Tarver 2 undercard. (In case you are wondering, he got knocked out in four rounds).

    In what will go down as a classic moment, Tarver delivered the first blow of the night before the timekeeper had a chance to ring the opening bell. As referee Jay Nady asks the two combatants if they have any questions, loudly and unequivocally the cool as a cucumber Antonio Tarver replies: "Yeah, I have a question... Are you going to have any excuses tonight, Roy?" Ouch!

    Roy goes out and as a shell of his old self steals the first round from a cautious, somewhat hesitant Tarver. He scored with flurries, but neither the power nor the speed are evident. He wins the round nevertheless.

    Things change quickly in the next stanza, possibly prompted by the exchange between Tarver and his trainer Buddy McGirt. Following the first round McGirt tells Tarver that he is giving Roy too much respect, Tarver replies don't use that word around here, and McGirt ends it by saying, "then go and get yours."

    Unlike Vernon Forrest who received a similar message against Mayorga but got the beatdown of a lifetime instead of respect, Antonio Tarver stalked his man, and counterpunching off a Jones right to his chest, Tonio misses with a right cross, then delivers a crushing left hook to the jaw of Mr. Pound for Pound No More... Only 1:44 seconds had transpired in the round, and Roy was flat on his back, attempting to get up, only to fall on his face, attempting to get up again, beating the count but clearly hurt. Referee Nady waved him off, getting no argument from Jones or his corner, and we watched in disbelief as the untouchable Roy Jones Jr. struggled to make it to his corner, on very unsteady legs, defeated soundly and in embarrassing fashion by Antonio 'Magic Man' Tarver.

    Was Tarver's blow that devastating? Before you answer the question, please feel free to revise Tarver's record here: http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=014043
    Antonio Tarver is not a heavy puncher; he has only knocked out six fighters prior to Jones, (I'm not including TKOs). But wait, didn't Roy go twelve grueling rounds with Tarver just six months prior, receiving far more punishment? Just for the record there was an outrageously low total of 27 punches exchanged in the rematch. Didn't Roy go twelve rounds with John Ruiz who outweighed him by 30 pounds, and who, say what you will about him, can truly ****, a bout in which he defeated Ruiz soundly?

    In case you are wondering what is my point, my point is that something is wrong with this picture. A super human fighter, an untouchable super champion who has flashed speed, power and tremendous ring generalship throughout his career all of a sudden can't take a punch from a man who is not known for his punching power?? I don't know about you, and with no disrespect intended for Antonio Tarver, I am not buying it. Something has happened to Roy Jones, Jr., let's cut the crap and be real.

    I recall Manny Steward's pre-fight comments about Roy losing weight the right way this time, having a conditioning trainer, etc, etc. He spoke as if Jones was new to the game. Steward's comments run second to his laughter evoking high praise of heavyweight Ty Fields. Everyone is playing up to Tarver's punch as if it had been delivered in unisom by Tarver and Mike Tyson in his prime, puhleeze, gimme a break!

    Roy's comments as he arrived in Pensacola were disgraceful. They brought to mind the words of Floyd Mayweather, Jr. who as a guest on ESPN2 FNF earlier in the evening said -and I paraphrase- Roy should take his hat off to Tarver and move on. Coming from a guy who is accused of being immature and egotistic, Floyd Jr.'s advise couldn't be more on target.

    During the Pensacola interview Roy claimed that Tarver's left hook from hell was a lucky punch; he said nobody has really beaten him, he went on and on and on, posturing, very defensive and making a total fool of himself. I was truly disappointed as flashbacks of a classy Tito Trinidad after his obliteration at the hands of Bernard Hopkins came to mind.

    Roy Jones Jr. needs to dig deep within and recognize that for some reason, and he should know the reason better than any of us, he has been beaten, soundly too. Roy Jones Jr. is in serious denial. Roy Jones Jr. is now simply.... human.

    Copyright 2006 by BlackAthlete.net, Inc. All Rights Reserved

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    • Sweet Pea 50
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      #42
      You haven't burst my bubble Wiley. You just put up a whole lot of conjecture with a lot of "whispers" on the side.
      Floyd said it best himself. And I'm paraphrasing here, but he basically said that when Roys incredible athletic talent started to fade, did have the technical skills to compensate? And well, Jones didn't. I might be naive about this subject, but you can't deny Roy was a one of a kind talent.
      And until he is federally indicted, I will still believe this.
      If Roy is in the future found guilty of abusing performance enhancing drugs, then he will drop down a whole lot in my eye's.
      Until then, it's a whole lot of nothing.
      I have been harsh in the past towards you Wiley. But its clear to me you are quite knowledgeable and passionate about this sport. Although I might disagree with you about certain things, I think your allright.

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        #43
        Originally posted by sweet pea 50
        You haven't burst my bubble Wiley. You just put up a whole lot of conjecture with a lot of "whispers" on the side.
        Floyd said it best himself. And I'm paraphrasing here, but he basically said that when Roys incredible athletic talent started to fade, did have the technical skills to compensate? And well, Jones didn't. I might be naive about this subject, but you can't deny Roy was a one of a kind talent.
        And until he is federally indicted, I will still believe this.
        If Roy is in the future found guilty of abusing performance enhancing drugs, then he will drop down a whole lot in my eye's.
        Until then, it's a whole lot of nothing.
        I have been harsh in the past towards you Wiley. But its clear to me you are quite knowledgeable and passionate about this sport. Although I might disagree with you about certain things, I think your allright.
        It's not conjecture that Jones admitted using steroids before a fight in 2000. That's not conjecture and whispers, that's a fact. Now you can take that and do what you want to with it. But, to me that's cheating. Nothing else to be said, IMO.

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          #44
          Well I think if I read the same article as you did, thats pretty damnable in my eyes on Jones part. (But his opponent admitted to using the **** himself).
          In no ways does this give Jones a pass in my eyes though.
          I think Im getting jaded now though when it comes to sports. Which top athlete HASN"T used performance enhancers? I'm starting to hate this ****. Leave that **** to the ***got ass bodybuilders. Sports is supposed to be about competition. Not who can get the best DRUGS.
          Thanks for kicking me while I'm down Wiley, LOL. ****.

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          • Mozza
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            #45
            Originally posted by p4pking_2007
            How has he managed to duck or not fight bernard hopkins, winky wright, shane mosley, oscar de la hoya, jermain taylor, cory spinks. and maybe kelly pavlik and john duddy. all of which would be able to move up a weight division or joe can go down.

            His legacy is definitly questionable in my eyes because he has not fought what i would class as tough opposition for him.

            Your thoughts?
            And how has he managed to duck so many fights?
            Kessler is currently better than at least six of the guys you have mentioned. The other one you have mentioned is far too small to fight Calzaghe and the other is going to get his ass kicked by our boy Jopseph some time next year.

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              #46
              Originally posted by Mozza
              Kessler is currently better than at least six of the guys you have mentioned. The other one you have mentioned is far too small to fight Calzaghe and the other is going to get his ass kicked by our boy Jopseph some time next year.
              Which 6 is Kessler better than from that guys list?

              Names please.

              And for the record, no calzaghe is nowhere near the biggest fraud in boxing history.

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                #47
                Originally posted by Technical_Skill
                Which 6 is Kessler better than from that guys list?

                Names please.

                And for the record, no calzaghe is nowhere near the biggest fraud in boxing history.
                Duddy, Pavlik, Taylor, De La Hoya and Spinks. Five. I stand corrected.

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by Mozza
                  Duddy, Pavlik, Taylor, De La Hoya and Spinks. Five. I stand corrected.
                  Kessler a better fighter than De La Hoya and Spinks?

                  ****ing el, i think im ready to call it a day soon,

                  In a nutshell, NO.

                  Btw do you think de la hoya would secure his legacy by fighting libero andrade?

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by sonofisis
                    Bernard has never ducked Calz and even at 43 is willing to fight him. Not to mention that his wins are of a much higher quality and he cleaned out his division a lot earlier. He actually beat HOFers and p4p fighters, while Calz has beat none. He has never beaten a fighter who was ranked in the top ten p4p, let alone a HOFer. Both Winky and Hops have. Nuff said.
                    Calzaghe is way better than Nard ever was. Hopkins was good, bnever outstanding. His competition wasn't even better but he struggled with it and lost four fights. **** Kessler would beat a prime Hopkins pretty cleanly.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by Technical_Skill
                      Kessler a better fighter than De La Hoya and Spinks?

                      ****ing el, i think im ready to call it a day soon,

                      In a nutshell, NO.

                      Btw do you think de la hoya would secure his legacy by fighting libero andrade?

                      You obviously haven't read my post correctly. I suggest you read it again and you will probably realise your mistake. Then again ...

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