lets get this said now

[Kendo]

I absolutely agree. But when he fights the number two and the number three in the division and hammers them both, then he's going to get somewhere.

I can see this discussion in five years time when Calzaghe is retired after fighting Hopkins and maybe RJJ and beating them both "Yeah but he fought Manfredo so those other wins don't count!"

i never took anythingh away from him. you UK are acting like i totally down graded him. all i was saying was he needs to come over here and fight. where did i say anything about military. this is a boxing website non stop boxing. go into one of the other topics. i never not once didnt give him credit. u all are now saying he fought all the best in his weight class. ok hops did everyone said that he fought nobodys in his weightclass. roy jones he beat everyone in the lightheavy weight div u all said he ducked people. he beat the best in his hops did in his and now JC did it in his. good for him. good for him for making those 21 defenses. thats great. why dont you think he is getting the credit he desrves. bc he is not over here. face it. hatton wasnt anything big until he came here. now he gets PBF. he beat an over the hill out of prime jose luis castillo. than he beat some other bum(just barely) that one of our better american fighters destroyed. give me a break. and stop talking military ****. and to the dude who lashed out for the first comment. its cool dont worry about it. this is your sport he is your fighter and you have a reason. went alittle to far but **** happens. all im saying is that he needs to get his hype. he isnt going to do it over there. he has to come here and beat hops or a good american fighter. thats all im saying. not saying he isnt a great fighter/champion he is. you all just get way to out of hand when it comes down to talking about your fighter. you all almost made me cheer for floyd until i remembered that i cant stand his ass.

[steptwome]

[QUOTE=me2007;2802440]American boxing will be dead soon then we can all laugh.[/QUOTE

.......... Your boxing knowledge is unjustly limited

[moofo]

A fighter does NOT NEED to fight in the USA to prove his credibility.
99% of all US champs have never fought away from home.
Joe Calzaghe has done nothing different.
He is the best.
Therefore he retains the right to fight on his own turf.

[Mozza]

look there is no doubt that jc just fought prolly the best fight of his life. but that doesnt mean he is p4p the best. yes he beat a great fighter. but there the only two creditable fights. overrated lacey and a great fighter in kessler. the reason why is bc he doesnt come over here. he comes here and wins some big fights than yes i will put him atop of p4p but until he fights here and beats the great fighters here he is just not going to be up there. he needs to come here and fight pavlik. he needs to come over here and fight even taylor, hops, rjj and so on. he needs to beat the names over here. not the names over there. not taking nothing away from the man. he fought great i though kessler was going to beat him im not scared to come out and say it. i was excited bc he was finally gonna lose. but he won and im gonna give it to him. but i see now that he is the greatest fighter of all time or on some ppl p4p he is num 1 or two. he neeeds to come here and fight before he is atop of those rankings.

No he doesn't. There is no rule which says you must fight in America in order to be considered a top fighter.

[THE REAL NINJA]

I agree with some of what was said but in Calz defence he HAS fought a lot of GOOD fighters he just hasn't fought many prime superstars BUT the same can and is said of many american fighters even our very own superstars such as Roy Jones do not have a long list of other superstar names on their records.

Another part of it is that these fighters that we claim never fight anyone always beat thoses who would have became that big name fighter if they had won those fights as we seen with Tarver who before the 2nd Roy Jones fight was not all that well known.

If he had not beat Roy he would have just been another win on Roy's record just as many have become.

I'm sure the same fact is true of a lot of Calz former oponnents.

[Kendo]

A fighter does NOT NEED to fight in the USA to prove his credibility.
99% of all US champs have never fought away from home.
Joe Calzaghe has done nothing different.
He is the best.
Therefore he retains the right to fight on his own turf.

thats true he is the best in his weightclass. but this is why he is so undderated some people over here. bc he wont fight here. my thing is ok and this goes for JC you shouldnt have to go oversea's to defend your title. poeple said roy ducked Dariusz Michalczewski. but he wouldnt come here why if roy is the champ should he go over there to fight. rightfully so why should JC come over here to fight if he is the champ. bc its made over here. he doesnt even have to defend his title against hops he can move up to fight hops if he wanted too. im just saying until he comes over here he is not going to get the rankings he deserves. its just how it is. besides roy said he would GO OVER TO THE UK TO FIGHT JC (AGAIN HE WOULD GO TO THE UK TO FIGHT JC) but he said i have nothing to prove by beating roy. but now he wants to fight him. bc he knows he needs to beat the names over here. over the hill out of prime or not. they are the biggest names closest to his weightclass.

[steptwome]

Whooooa the hate for American fighters is craaaazy

[Kendo]

No he doesn't. There is no rule which says you must fight in America in order to be considered a top fighter.

im not saying there is a rule im saying thats whats has to happen. like i said hatton wasnt really that big and wasnt getting the BIG TIME fight when he was over there he came here and now he is fighting PBF just like calz comes here he is going to fight hops. A BIG TIME FIGHT.

[Mozza]

im not saying there is a rule im saying thats whats has to happen. like i said hatton wasnt really that big and wasnt getting the BIG TIME fight when he was over there he came here and now he is fighting PBF just like calz comes here he is going to fight hops. A BIG TIME FIGHT.

Hatton has fought in America three times but his biggest fight and most impressive victory was in Britain.

[El Jesus]

all your gay ass fighters are either 1000 years old or not even american like oscar.

the only people who think american boxing is a worth a **** are these brainless 12 year olds who think RJJ is the greatest fighter who ever lived

i think our latest showing at the world amatuers shows we still have up and comers, americans are still fighting in droves in our amatuer system.