Seriously - Is Calzaghe the greatest Super Middleweight of all time?

[Easy-E]

I disagree that Roy was faster and more exciting. We are talking minimal fractions here, Roy could be at times a very lazy fighter. That cannot be said for Calzaghe.

Calzaghe is fast, but Roy had unreal handspeed at 168.
And it wasnt really until 175 that Roy became lazy and complacent, 168 was probably the best Roy Jones.

[Parody]

Calzaghe without a doubt is #1 at 168 alltime but a Roy Jones at 168 would have beaten him. that does'nt mean I rate Jones higher at 168, Calzaghe is higher as he has stayed at 168 longer while Jones has stayed at LH

[MickyHatton]

Calzaghe is fast, but Roy had unreal handspeed at 168.
And it wasnt really until 175 that Roy became lazy and complacent, 168 was probably the best Roy Jones.

You could be right, as I said there may have been a minimal difference in hand speed. I will concede that I thought Jones was perhaps the fastest puncher I had seen for some time but Calzaghe is certainly no slouch.

Unfortunately my opinion of Jones went down with his recent performances and the drug allegations.

[Wiley Hyena]

Calzaghe is fast, but Roy had unreal handspeed at 168.
And it wasnt really until 175 that Roy became lazy and complacent, 168 was probably the best Roy Jones.

I believe Roy had a whole 2 fights in SMW division.

[Wiley Hyena]

Calzaghe is fast, but Roy had unreal handspeed at 168.
And it wasnt really until 175 that Roy became lazy and complacent, 168 was probably the best Roy Jones.

Roy didn't get lazy and complacent at 175, he got knocked out. Going to sleep on the job is a more severe infraction than just getting lazy.

[-Antonio-]

He has that signature win now. I'm a Lacy fan, but he's not a fighter you cement your legacy with. Kessler probably is. Combine that with the numerous title defenses, and the fact that he unified every belt. Yeah he has to be considered number one now. Roy's reign was just too short.

[MickyHatton]

He has that signature win now. I'm a Lacy fan, but he's not a fighter you cement your legacy with. Kessler probably is. Combine that with the numerous title defenses, and the fact that he unified every belt. Yeah he has to be considered number one now. Roy's reign was just too short.

Exactly.

Weight hopping and title chasing is one thing but staying in your division, making weight and pulling out win after win against some decent, some good and some great fighters for a decade is equally impressive.

[eazy_mas]

well Calzaghe is one of the best SMW but to the best ATG.

There is three fighter Calzaghe will have problem with even though he got good chin I dont think he is going to stand against G-Man like that and Roy Jones move around and pretty quick James Toney is good counterpuncher and I could see many of the shots blocked bu James and counter with right uppercut.

[Dynamite Kid]

Exactly.

Weight hopping and title chasing is one thing but staying in your division, making weight and pulling out win after win against some decent, some good and some great fighters for a decade is equally impressive.

i agree 100 % especially when your picking the weaker of the ABC champions in each weight catergory and claim to be the best fighter who ever lived cause of it

[robjr]

if you go in terms by what the fighter accomplished in the weight class.. yes Joe without a doubt.. but as for the true best at 168 ever.. not better than RJJ, best weight for roy ever I think. had the speed and the power..