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  • DIOS DOMINICANO
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    #461
    Originally posted by pesticid
    But promoters can make more money from the live gate as they usually do.
    Again:

    casino site fees > live gate

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      #462
      Originally posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
      Again:

      casino site fees > live gate
      Why would bob arum and dlh go to MSG for the Cotto vs Mosley fight then? And it's not even the biggest gate?

      Why hasn't Cotto be fighting in Las Vegas as of late? If Arum was making more money he would've definately kept him in Las Vegas no?

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        #463
        Originally posted by pesticid
        Why would bob arum and dlh go to MSG for the Cotto vs Mosley fight then? And it's not even the biggest gate?

        Why hasn't Cotto be fighting in Las Vegas as of late? If Arum was making more money he would've definately kept him in Las Vegas no?
        he is going to draw one single comparison...the mayweather/dlh bout.

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          #464
          Originally posted by pesticid
          Why would bob arum and dlh go to MSG for the Cotto vs Mosley fight then? And it's not even the biggest gate?

          Why hasn't Cotto be fighting in Las Vegas as of late? If Arum was making more money he would've definately kept him in Las Vegas no?
          Because Shane just fought in an empty arena at the Mandalay Bay. Further, there was very poor southern and western regional support for Cotto's last PPV.

          This fight is a bit of an economic crap-shoot. But if Cotto mainstream-izes himself after this fight, watch where his future fights will be. Watch.

          MSG has essentially become Cotto's "Boardwalk Hall". Except, of course BH is actually in AC.

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            #465
            Originally posted by pesticid
            Why would bob arum and dlh go to MSG for the Cotto vs Mosley fight then? And it's not even the biggest gate?

            Why hasn't Cotto be fighting in Las Vegas as of late? If Arum was making more money he would've definately kept him in Las Vegas no?
            here's a quote from arum

            "One thing I've learned to do in this business is I've got to spot trends," Arum would tell Maxboxing a few weeks ago. "I jumped on the fact that the fans were becoming heavily Hispanic. Now, what do I see in boxing? I see something that is very disturbing, the fans are skewing older. And so that when you do a fight in Las Vegas, you get the casino customer and they're older people. Not bad. What is the downside?"

            More fossils than the La Brea tar pits?

            "Those sons of a gun are getting older, they're dying out. So we're not getting replenished," agreed Arum, laughing. "So in order to sell boxing, I have to go to the places where the fans are. Puerto Rico, we had Cotto (when he faced Otkay Urkal in March), Madison Square Garden, we got Cotto and Judah, guys who create some interest. San Antonio, great fight town, we bring Manny Pacquiao down there but also Arce. They'll come over the border to watch Arce and Mijares, and little Chavez, they love him. OK, then the 23rd I come back to Vegas but I'm coming back to Vegas only for a reason – I've already sold 6,000 tickets in England, the English fans that follow Ricky Hatton.

            "That's the only way I know how to do it, to be a promoter. Not a broker, not to take money from a network – not that there's anything illegal about it – and take money from a casino and call myself a promoter and sit on my ass with two seats in the center of the camera," said Arum, who's as spry as any 75-year old man can be. "That's not promoting. You do that occasionally. Why not? You gotta take a breather. But you don't do that and call yourself a promoter. What's happening now is because we have so many people, not only Golden Boy, but other so-called promoters who act that way, that the ratings are slipping to catastrophically low levels."

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              #466
              Originally posted by Azteca
              he is going to draw one single comparison...the mayweather/dlh bout.
              I can talk boxing economics all day and NEVER use The World Awaits, if I choose not to.

              That is an outlier. Not a benchmark.

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                #467
                Originally posted by Azteca
                he is going to draw one single comparison...the mayweather/dlh bout.
                He's apparently graduated from University because he mentions it here and there indirectly but so what. There are many posters here with good to great education adn there are some people who are just as intellectual and who are self-learners. But Dominicano's got this big ego that needs to be scratched again and again.

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                  #468
                  Originally posted by Azteca
                  here's a quote from arum

                  "One thing I've learned to do in this business is I've got to spot trends," Arum would tell Maxboxing a few weeks ago. "I jumped on the fact that the fans were becoming heavily Hispanic. Now, what do I see in boxing? I see something that is very disturbing, the fans are skewing older. And so that when you do a fight in Las Vegas, you get the casino customer and they're older people. Not bad. What is the downside?"

                  More fossils than the La Brea tar pits?

                  "Those sons of a gun are getting older, they're dying out. So we're not getting replenished," agreed Arum, laughing. "So in order to sell boxing, I have to go to the places where the fans are. Puerto Rico, we had Cotto (when he faced Otkay Urkal in March), Madison Square Garden, we got Cotto and Judah, guys who create some interest. San Antonio, great fight town, we bring Manny Pacquiao down there but also Arce. They'll come over the border to watch Arce and Mijares, and little Chavez, they love him. OK, then the 23rd I come back to Vegas but I'm coming back to Vegas only for a reason – I've already sold 6,000 tickets in England, the English fans that follow Ricky Hatton.

                  "That's the only way I know how to do it, to be a promoter. Not a broker, not to take money from a network – not that there's anything illegal about it – and take money from a casino and call myself a promoter and sit on my ass with two seats in the center of the camera," said Arum, who's as spry as any 75-year old man can be. "That's not promoting. You do that occasionally. Why not? You gotta take a breather. But you don't do that and call yourself a promoter. What's happening now is because we have so many people, not only Golden Boy, but other so-called promoters who act that way, that the ratings are slipping to catastrophically low levels."
                  ****ing exactly!

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                    #469
                    Originally posted by pesticid
                    He's apparently graduated from University because he mentions it here and there indirectly but so what. There are many posters here with good to great education adn there are some people who are just as intellectual and who are self-learners. But Dominicano's got this big ego that needs to be scratched again and again.
                    he lives in mommy's basement.

                    I just found an article which DIOS totally plagerized. Passed off the author's thoughts as his own. And then he talks about his 'university' education.

                    I'm sure, Dios, I'm sure....

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                      #470
                      Originally posted by DIOS DOMINICANO
                      Because Shane just fought in an empty arena at the Mandalay Bay. Further, there was very poor southern and western regional support for Cotto's last PPV.

                      This fight is a bit of an economic crap-shoot. But if Cotto mainstream-izes himself after this fight, watch where his future fights will be. Watch.

                      MSG has essentially become Cotto's "Boardwalk Hall". Except, of course BH is actually in AC.
                      ****! Didn't you say if Cotto becomes mainstream? What is Mosley? Isn;t Mosley mainstream and he still can't draw in Las Vegas?

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