A Prime Mike Tyson Beats Muhammed Ali

[Dynamite Kid]

That's just a long winded excuse. Any dumb******* that was alive back in the 60s knew Williams was a force to be contended with. This was a guy that was every bit the puncher that "iron" Mike Tyson was. No goddam bum. And, look what Ali did to his ass.

straight up no defence slow does'nt know how to cut down a ring obviously as in evident in the fight ,bottom line he would'nt have been a top heavyweight in this day and age with that awfull style so how can he be considered a scalp

dude your chatting **** your just a dinosaur who adears to this unwritten rule you cannot compare old fighters to more modern fighters ,check the 50 best fighters in the world mostly old timers biased as **** i aint buying it

Wiley Hyena,you are a dinasour & Cleveland Wiliams would'nt even stand upto Vlad

[SkillspayBills]

Divad, now you've shown your ignorance. You must be a 17 year old kid or something because you damn sure don't know **** about boxing.....Here's the relevant portion of an article entitled "Muhammad Ali v. Cleveland Williams":

But if Williams carried a slug into the ring with him that night, he also carried an awesome record as well -- the winner of 65 of 71 fights, 51 by knockout, 15 in the first round. His punching power was reputed to be the equal of any heavyweight in boxing -- past or present -- and there were those who believed that the Cat would triumph, including his voluble manager, Hugh Benbow, who said, "the Cat and me will take care of Clay in three."

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But if Williams' punching power -- compared to that of Liston and Bob Satterfield -- was thought to be enough to turn the 5-1 underdog into a winner, on a percentage basis, Ali's was even better. Whereas Williams was batting .717, with his 51 knockouts in 71 fights, Ali was hitting .808, with 21 knockouts in 26 times at bat. Comparisons aside, one thing was sure: this fight would not go to a decision
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So much for your Williams was a bum theory. AND, your Ali had no power theory. Both theories disposed of here.

Wow, you should post about things other than Floyd and Hatton more often.

[Wiley Hyena]

straight up no defence slow does'nt know how to cut down a ring obviously as in evident in the fight ,bottom line he would'nt have been a top heavyweight in this day and age with that awfull style so how can he be considered a scalp

dude your chatting **** your just a dinosaur who adears to this unwritten rule you cannot compare old fighters to more modern fighters ,check the 50 best fighters in the world mostly old timers biased as **** i aint buying it

Wiley Hyena,you are a dinasour & Cleveland Wiliams would'nt even stand upto Vlad

You don't have to be a dinosaur to understand Ali's greatness. You are saying Ali fought chumps and had no power. You can call me a "dinosaur' if you want, but at least I'm not an ignoramous.

[Dynamite Kid]

You don't have to be a dinosaur to understand Ali's greatness. You are saying Ali fought chumps and had no power. You can call me a "dinosaur' if you want, but at least I'm not an ignoramous.

You are saying Ali fought chumps and had no power

no people are telling me he was a deceptive puncher ,i know Ali was great i just think styles make fights and Tyson would beat Ali

Wiley Hyena u are just a the ignoramous, i am a Hatton fan but i dont nuthug him like u and devote everyday slagging of Floyd Mayweather go away you old relic about your from up north aint ya

[Wiley Hyena]

You are saying Ali fought chumps and had no power

no people are telling me he was a deceptive puncher ,i know Ali was great i just think styles make fights and Tyson would beat Ali

Wiley Hyena u are just a the ignoramous, i am a Hatton fan but i dont nuthug him like u and devote everyday slagging of Floyd Mayweather go away you old relic about your from up north aint ya

Divad, here is your prior post:

"How does Ali put Tyson away ,the people who voted for an Ali stoppage are either extremly dumb or very biased towards Ali he did'nt have a great punch at all and Tyson had a good chin IMO

dont try and tll me Ali could punch either just cause he knocked Foreman out please ,"


NOW you were downgrading Ali's punching power. And you called Williams a "bum". And you tried to explain away Ali's knockouts of both Liston and Foreman.

You ARE essentially saying that Ali fought bums and had no power. I think this is incredibly ignorant and/or biased.

I respect that you think Tyson stylistically beats Ali. Fine. I don't agree with it, but you are entitled to your opinion. But trying to justify that opinion with ridiculous assertions about a fighter as great as Ali is just wrong and is easily dismissed as drivel.

[Dynamite Kid]

Divad, here is your prior post:

"How does Ali put Tyson away ,the people who voted for an Ali stoppage are either extremly dumb or very biased towards Ali he did'nt have a great punch at all and Tyson had a good chin IMO

dont try and tll me Ali could punch either just cause he knocked Foreman out please ,"


NOW you were downgrading Ali's punching power. And you called Williams a "bum". And you tried to explain away Ali's knockouts of both Liston and Foreman.

You ARE essentially saying that Ali fought bums and had no power. I think this is incredibly ignorant and/or biased.

I respect that you think Tyson stylistically beats Ali. Fine. I don't agree with it, but you are entitled to your opinion. But trying to justify that opinion with ridiculous assertions about a fighter as great as Ali is just wrong and is easily dismissed as drivel.

i called Williams a bum and anyone who has seen that fight must be able to see that he was not an Elite fighter he was bum yeah

i did'nt say Liston was a bum i was trying to make a mockery of somone who was using his stoppage of Liston as an illustration of Ali's power ,LOL even Ali told him to get up we all know the story of why Liston went down and stayed down

hardly saying he fought bums and no power is it, i was trying to prove he does'nt have the power to knock a durable Tyson out which is what a few people seem to think he was capable of doing

talk about putting words into my mouth idiot ,there is nothing biased about my posts scroll through the first 2 pages of this thread and you will see that

[El Dominicano]

Ali wins this one easily. Tyson doesn't have the stamina to go 12 rounds with Ali. Ali definitly has the defense to last 12 rounds with Tyson.

[shawn_]

What people neglect to factor into this equation is the fact that you are only as strong as your weakest link.

Tyson was mentally weak. Ali could have Rope-a-doped Tyson for a few rounds, shown him he can take his best punch, then got up on his toes and broken his spirit.

Ali's greatest strength was his ability to make you not want to fight any more. He was a master of mind games. For my money, he is p4p the best mental manipulator in history.

I predict Ali W 9 RTD

Tyson quits on his stool, just like Liston.

Also, anyone that says Tyson had better stamina than Joe Frazier has no idea what the hell they are talking about.

[Wiley Hyena]

i called Williams a bum and anyone who has seen that fight must be able to see that he was not an Elite fighter he was bum yeah

i did'nt say Liston was a bum i was trying to make a mockery of somone who was using his stoppage of Liston as an illustration of Ali's power ,LOL even Ali told him to get up we all know the story of why Liston went down and stayed down

hardly saying he fought bums and no power is it, i was trying to prove he does'nt have the power to knock a durable Tyson out which is what a few people seem to think he was capable of doing

talk about putting words into my mouth idiot ,there is nothing biased about my posts scroll through the first 2 pages of this thread and you will see that

Here is Ali's record up through his fight with Foreman. Just look at all the KOs over many great fighters who were not "bums."

1962
Feb. 10 Sonny Banks New York KO 4
Feb. 28 Jack Wagner Miami Beach KO 4
Apr. 23 George Logan Los Angeles KO 4
May 19 Billy Daniels New York KO 7
July 20 Alejandro Lavorante Los Angeles KO 5
Nov. 16 Archie Moore Los Angeles KO 4
1963
Jan. 24 Charlie Powell Pittsburgh KO 3
Mar. 13 Doug Jones New York W 10
June 18 Henry Cooper London KO 5
1964
Feb. 25 Sonny Liston Miami Beach KO 7 WORLD
1965
May 25 Sonny Liston Lewiston, Maine KO 1 WORLD
Nov. 22 Floyd Patterson Las Vegas KO 12 WORLD
1966
Mar. 29 George Chuvalo Toronto W 15 WORLD
May 21 Henry Cooper London KO 6 WORLD
Aug. 6 Brian London London KO 3 WORLD
Sept. 10 Karl Mildenberger Frankfurt, Germany KO 12 WORLD
Nov. 14 Cleveland Williams Houston KO 3 WORLD
1967
Feb. 6 Ernie Terrell Houston W 15 WORLD
Mar. 22 Zora Folley New York KO 7 WORLD
1970
Oct. 26 Jerry Quarry Atlanta KO 3
Dec. 7 Oscar Bonavena New York KO 15
1971
Mar. 8 Joe Frazier New York L 15 WORLD
July 26 Jimmy Ellis Houston KO 12 NABF
Nov. 17 Buster Mathis Houston W 12 NABF
Dec. 26 Jurgen Blin Zurich, Switzerland KO 7
1972
April 1 Mac Foster Tokyo W 15
May 1 George Chuvalo Vancouver, B.C. W 12 NABF
June 27 Jerry Quarry Las Vegas KO 7 NABF
July 19 Alvin Lewis Dublin KO 11
Sept. 20 Floyd Patterson New York KO 7 NABF
Nov. 21 Bob Foster Stateline, Nev. KO 8 NABF
1973
Feb. 14 Joe Bugner Las Vegas W 12
Mar. 31 Ken Norton San Diego L 12 NABF
Sept. 10 Ken Norton Los Angeles W 12 NABF
Oct. 21 Rudy Lubbers Jakarta, Indon. W 12
1974
Jan. 28 Joe Frazier New York W 12 NABF
Oct. 30 George Foreman Kinshasa, Zaire KO 8 WORLD

[shawn_]

When Ali fought Cleveland Williams, Williams was considered the hardest puncher in the heavyweight division. He was very worthy challenger for the title, and anyone that calls him a bum has absolutely ZERO knowledge of boxing history. What Ali did to Williams is like what Hopkins did to Trinidad. Neither Trinidad nor Williams were bums, but they were soundly humiliated.