A Prime Mike Tyson Beats Muhammed Ali

[Dynamite Kid]

only thing is frazier never fought a prime ali... and we didnt even see tyson or alis prime.. or foremans for that matter

well just compare them at the best points in there Career .

[me2007]

prime ALi would beat prime Tysons ass, similar to the way Lewis beat an old Tyson.

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the only nuthugging is being done by yourself all the old fighters are not the best like some of you dinosaurs seem to think

Prime Ali what ever Tyson would beat Ali at any stage of Ali's career ,Ali did not have the power to keep Tyson at Bay he would have walked through Ali

lets not forget Cleveland Williams not exactly the best Heavyweight ever is he , its like watching PBF v Gatti and saying no one in history could beat PBF on that form

First of all I should appolagize I didn't actually mean you when mentioning nuthuggers you put forward a valid argument which I agree with some of but not all.

It's the person after with a statment like prime Tyson ko's everyone I was referring to as nuthugging.

I'm not a dinosaur and don't nuthug old fighters. I have 10,000 fights and consider myself knowledgable on the fight game and I've always thought Tyson is overated for several reasons.

Tyson was more evasive than Frazier but not for the whole fight. For 5 rounds tops then he neglects the side to side movement, the slipping of the punches. Same with intencity Frazier started slowly and built up momentum where as Tyson was relentless from the first bell but gradually faded from about the 5th round on depending on the quality of opponent and how many punches he was taking in return.

You dismiss Williams saying he wasn't a great heavyweight well neither was Spinks. He was a blown up lightheavyweight and froze in the headlights like a rabbit. What great fighters did Tyson beat only one and that was a 38 yr old over the hill Larry Holmes. Any other decent fighter he came up against beat him. Douglas a decent but lazy fighter but was motivated for the biggest fight of his life. Another blown up lightheavyweight/cruiserweight Evander Holyfield who bullied the baddest man on the planet and Lennox Lewis who put a masterclass on him before knocking him senseless with a murderous right hand. Another lazy talented fighter Danny Williams took loads of punches from the so called hardest puncher of all time, he ****** them up and knocked Tyson out. Tyson was past it against Williams but the last thing you lose is your power and he hit Williams plenty. Don't get me wrong Tyson could **** but his inferior opposition that were terrified always made it look better than it actually was. Anyone that stood up to him he had trouble with.

[MamaDuck]

When you come to think about it Tyson in his prime was just unbelieveable. It's sad how his story ended but at least he'll always be remembered, not as the best, but as the most famous and popular HW of ALL TIME.

[Dynamite Kid]

First of all I should appolagize I didn't actually mean you when mentioning nuthuggers you put forward a valid argument which I agree with some of but not all.

It's the person after with a statment like prime Tyson ko's everyone I was referring to as nuthugging.

I'm not a dinosaur and don't nuthug old fighters. I have 10,000 fights and consider myself knowledgable on the fight game and I've always thought Tyson is overated for several reasons.

Tyson was more evasive than Frazier but not for the whole fight. For 5 rounds tops then he neglects the side to side movement, the slipping of the punches. Same with intencity Frazier started slowly and built up momentum where as Tyson was relentless from the first bell but gradually faded from about the 5th round on depending on the quality of opponent and how many punches he was taking in return.

You dismiss Williams saying he wasn't a great heavyweight well neither was Spinks. He was a blown up lightheavyweight and froze in the headlights like a rabbit. What great fighters did Tyson beat only one and that was a 38 yr old over the hill Larry Holmes. Any other decent fighter he came up against beat him. Douglas a decent but lazy fighter but was motivated for the biggest fight of his life. Another blown up lightheavyweight/cruiserweight Evander Holyfield who bullied the baddest man on the planet and Lennox Lewis who put a masterclass on him before knocking him senseless with a murderous right hand. Another lazy talented fighter Danny Williams took loads of punches from the so called hardest puncher of all time, he ****** them up and knocked Tyson out. Tyson was past it against Williams but the last thing you lose is your power and he hit Williams plenty. Don't get me wrong Tyson could **** but his inferior opposition that were terrified always made it look better than it actually was. Anyone that stood up to him he had trouble with.

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i apologise for what i said sorry , i can see what your saying i was not taking calibre of opostition and using it as a yard stick i was just pointing out that as good as Ali looked against Williams the guy was very average at best put it this way that guy would'nt have lived with todays Heavyweight

its clear Tyson was on the slide when he fought Douglas so i cant see how that fight comes into it , he was Dropped in sparring by Greg Page prior to the fight refused to do his running etc its clear to me he was'nt in the best shape mentaly or physically going into that fight, as for the Lewis fight he was old we all new the script before that fight i knew Tyson did'nt stand a chance in that fight and i suspect everyone else did to but mainly because of age and wear and tear bad life style etc

your are right Tyson did used to sell himself in the first 5 rounds of a fight ,Evander would have beaten any version of Mike Tyson IMO but i respectfully disagree about a fight with Ali ,did you see the hook Frazier dropped Ali with almost Tyson Esque or the Henry Cooper left hook, Ali dropped his hands to much and was susceptible to that low crouching brawling style were hooks come over the top where it is harder for the taller man to see them

im not saying Tyson was a better fighter but i think he had the style & tools to beat Ali ,

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i apologise for what i said sorry , i can see what your saying i was not taking calibre of opostition and using it as a yard stick i was just pointing out that as good as Ali looked against Williams the guy was very average at best put it this way that guy would'nt have lived with todays Heavyweight

its clear Tyson was on the slide when he fought Douglas so i cant see how that fight comes into it , he was Dropped in sparring by Greg Page prior to the fight refused to do his running etc its clear to me he was'nt in the best shape mentaly or physically going into that fight, as for the Lewis fight he was old we all new the script before that fight i knew Tyson did'nt stand a chance in that fight and i suspect everyone else did to but mainly because of age and wear and tear bad life style etc

your are right Tyson did used to sell himself in the first 5 rounds of a fight ,Evander would have beaten any version of Mike Tyson IMO but i respectfully disagree about a fight with Ali ,did you see the hook Frazier dropped Ali with almost Tyson Esque or the Henry Cooper left hook, Ali dropped his hands to much and was susceptible to that low crouching brawling style were hooks come over the top where it is harder for the taller man to see them

im not saying Tyson was a better fighter but i think he had the style & tools to beat Ali ,

Good reply. I think if Tyson was gonna beat Ali it would have to be early but no one ever beat Ali early even if he was dropped he got back up and fought back. It is a possibility he could have beat Ali but I think the more likely scenario is 8 out of 10 cats prefer whiskers. Sorry I mean 8 out of 10 times Ali beats Tyson.

I'm not criticizing you and it is true against Douglas he wasn't in the best shape and against Holyfield and Lewis he wasn't as good because of the lack of training. He was still extremely dangerous for 2-3 rounds then and I thought he should have beat Holyfield. Even against Lewis for 2 rounds he looked like the old Tyson but just couldn't substain it.

But my point is Tyson is always excused for his defeats mainly by nuthugging fans and on the same hand they use the reverse hyphothosis to discredit other fighters such as Lennox Lewis and say prime Tyson would kayo him because he had a glass jaw. Which he never had he was underprepared for them and lazy got caught and knocked out and because these defeats were against lesser quality heavyweights he is not considered great. But while he might not have beaten McCall in the first fight he was never given the chance to continue the only time that has happened to a defending champion being put down and getting up and then stopped. Who would have thought Holmes was gonna recover from that Shavers punch no-one would have complained had it been stopped. Rahman fight Lewis was in the worse shape of his career and hardly trained for the fight and got knocked out. These fighters while not being the most talented could still punch really hard and anyone can be knocked out. Lewis literally walked on to the McCall punch which doubles the power, and it was a great shot and I thought he did well to get up at the count of 6. But Lewis proved his worth and proved they were flukes by avenging both defeats, something Tyson never did.

You're right in saying Tyson was more intelligent than Frazier, but I think this was out of the ring when analysing fights he knew the game inside out probably better than any other fighter but couldn't apply this when actually in a fight and things weren't going his way he neglected everything he was great at and fought suicidal tactics against Lewis after 2 rounds had elapsed instead of showing real heart and desire and continuing with what he did in the 1st 2 rounds and was most succesful at. He charged in straight ahead just looking to take his head off with one big shot as the perception was Lewis was weak chinned but what he did land cleanly a fully prepared Lewis took and took well which he did when prepared against better oppostion than McCall and Rahman. Ruddock,Mercer,Morrison,Golota,Grant,Briggs,Tua,Ty son,Klitchko and Holyfield never came close to really hurting Lewis and they all landed some great shots clean.

Ali could adapt and think on his feet and do what was necessary if a fight wasn't going his way something Tyson never did and for that reason I'd pick Ali to beat Tyson.

[Dynamite Kid]

Good reply. I think if Tyson was gonna beat Ali it would have to be early but no one ever beat Ali early even if he was dropped he got back up and fought back. It is a possibility he could have beat Ali but I think the more likely scenario is 8 out of 10 cats prefer whiskers. Sorry I mean 8 out of 10 times Ali beats Tyson.

I'm not criticizing you and it is true against Douglas he wasn't in the best shape and against Holyfield and Lewis he wasn't as good because of the lack of training. He was still extremely dangerous for 2-3 rounds then and I thought he should have beat Holyfield. Even against Lewis for 2 rounds he looked like the old Tyson but just couldn't substain it.

But my point is Tyson is always excused for his defeats mainly by nuthugging fans and on the same hand they use the reverse hyphothosis to discredit other fighters such as Lennox Lewis and say prime Tyson would kayo him because he had a glass jaw. Which he never had he was underprepared for them and lazy got caught and knocked out and because these defeats were against lesser quality heavyweights he is not considered great. But while he might not have beaten McCall in the first fight he was never given the chance to continue the only time that has happened to a defending champion being put down and getting up and then stopped. Who would have thought Holmes was gonna recover from that Shavers punch no-one would have complained had it been stopped. Rahman fight Lewis was in the worse shape of his career and hardly trained for the fight and got knocked out. These fighters while not being the most talented could still punch really hard and anyone can be knocked out. Lewis literally walked on to the McCall punch which doubles the power, and it was a great shot and I thought he did well to get up at the count of 6. But Lewis proved his worth and proved they were flukes by avenging both defeats, something Tyson never did.

You're right in saying Tyson was more intelligent than Frazier, but I think this was out of the ring when analysing fights he knew the game inside out probably better than any other fighter but couldn't apply this when actually in a fight and things weren't going his way he neglected everything he was great at and fought suicidal tactics against Lewis after 2 rounds had elapsed instead of showing real heart and desire and continuing with what he did in the 1st 2 rounds and was most succesful at. He charged in straight ahead just looking to take his head off with one big shot as the perception was Lewis was weak chinned but what he did land cleanly a fully prepared Lewis took and took well which he did when prepared against better oppostion than McCall and Rahman. Ruddock,Mercer,Morrison,Golota,Grant,Briggs,Tua,Ty son,Klitchko and Holyfield never came close to really hurting Lewis and they all landed some great shots clean.

Ali could adapt and think on his feet and do what was necessary if a fight wasn't going his way something Tyson never did and for that reason I'd pick Ali to beat Tyson.

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i have to agree with a lot of those criticisms of Tyson i dont think Tyson would knock Ali out he had a great chin and had that capacity to recover very quickly like Evander ,although i think Tyson could get a stoppage if he had Ali in enough trouble I dont think Tyson could KO him though im in agreement with u though over 15 rounds if Tyson fought that all out aggresive style he would become easier and easier to hit and proabably get outpointed ,he would either have to go for Broke of conserve his stamina by not loading up with every shot he landed so he could go the distance i think this is how Tyson would beat Ali if it were to happen Ali dropped his hands dangerously low when fighters got in close

Tyson would gas out though if he fought that all out aggression every punch is a knock out punch style for 12 rounds let alone 15 ,he would have to devise a stratergy to beat Ali but i think Ali would be the one with more questions to answer because of Tysons style i see him getting caught throught out the fight by Tyson rowling and slipping Ali's jab and coming up with Left hooks etc

[Underboss]

*waits for galveston giant to come in and defend ali*

[Double]

Ummm, a prime Tyson couldn't even beat Buster Douglass or Evander. Ali's prime was spent fighing an unjust ruling that kept him out of boxing but he still cam back and defeated Foreman, Frazier (in the rematch), Norton and befor that had beaten a fighter very similar to Tyson named Sonny Liston.

[Dynamite Kid]

Ummm, a prime Tyson couldn't even beat Buster Douglass or Evander. Ali's prime was spent fighing an unjust ruling that kept him out of boxing but he still cam back and defeated Foreman, Frazier (in the rematch), Norton and befor that had beaten a fighter very similar to Tyson named Sonny Liston.

its not about who they beat or did'nt beat its a stylistic match up

who'd have thought Forrest would have made Molsey look so bad

Tarver V Jones JR

It Does'nt mean 1 was a better fighter than the other to call a winner cause its the totallity of a career what gives u your standing in game when u take in what they achieved and aganst who etc

by the way Double Evander is hardly a bum is he