Poll: Floyd v. Castillo I...who won?

[THe TRiNiTY]

Is somebody throwing in the towel here in the p4p debate?

I never really argued the debate. I said that I thought Mayweather was number one, but if you wanted to say Manny was, I just don't take the p4p ranking, that seriously. It's based ONLY on opinion, and not enough on fact.

So, technically, yes. You can call it throwing in the towel. I never took this argument too seriously.

[joepal]

I never really argued the debate. I said that I thought Mayweather was number one, but if you wanted to say Manny was, I just don't take the p4p ranking, that seriously. It's based ONLY on opinion, and not enough on fact.

So, technically, yes. You can call it throwing in the towel. I never took this argument too seriously.

But then, assuming all things being equal, you chose Floyd over Manny. All the while saying you like Manny and dislike Floyd. What gives?

[THe TRiNiTY]

But then, assuming all things being equal, you chose Floyd over Manny. All the while saying you like Manny and dislike Floyd. What gives?

I chose Floyd because, overall, he has the better skills. Fundamentals, and is undefeated. Whereas, Manny can be wreckless, isn't as skilled, in the fundamentals department, with balance and defense not being his strong points, and he's not undefeated. Both, I'd say are pretty equal otherwise. So I gave the edge to Mayweather. I do like Manny more though. He has better fights, generally, and has been throwing better combinations lately, which makes for better fights. He's also going to have a lot of nice opponents coming up. So, I can see an argument for either. I like Floyd as a boxer, just not as a person. But I won't let that cloud my vision in terms of his skills.

[joepal]

I chose Floyd because, overall, he has the better skills. Fundamentals, and is undefeated. Whereas, Manny can be wreckless, isn't as skilled, in the fundamentals department, with balance and defense not being his strong points, and he's not undefeated. Both, I'd say are pretty equal otherwise. So I gave the edge to Mayweather. I do like Manny more though. He has better fights, generally, and has been throwing better combinations lately, which makes for better fights. He's also going to have a lot of nice opponents coming up. So, I can see an argument for either. I like Floyd as a boxer, just not as a person. But I won't let that cloud my vision in terms of his skills.

So being a p4p king means you're the most skilled fighter? IMO there are more skilled fighters than Floyd, JMM and Calderon being two.

Tell me, how in the world has Floyd better offensive skills than Pacquiao? Somebody is getting biased here. Against someone he likes of all people.

And is skills the only criterion for being p4p king? What about resume or achievement? Don't you have to achieve something first before you can claim that you truly arrived? And what is the p4p no.1 slot but the pinnacle of boxing feats in the current times?

So what if Floyd is undefeated? Does that make you p4p? And didn't you just say that you thought Floyd lost to Castillo? Dont give me that crap we should go by the record that Floyd won both fights, because we should never use a bad judgment as basis for our arguments. Like nobody should say that DLH beat Sturm just because three bad judges said so.

[THe TRiNiTY]

So being a p4p king means you're the most skilled fighter? IMO there are more skilled fighters than Floyd, JMM and Calderon being two.

Tell me, how in the world has Floyd better offensive skills than Pacquiao? Somebody is getting biased here. Against someone he likes of all people.

And is skills the only criterion for being p4p king? What about resume or achievement? Don't you have to achieve something first before you can claim that you truly arrived? And what is the p4p no.1 slot but the pinnacle of boxing feats in the current times?

So what if Floyd is undefeated? Does that make you p4p? And didn't you just say that you thought Floyd lost to Castillo? Dont give me that crap we should go by the record that Floyd won both fights, because we should never use a bad judgment as basis for our arguments. Like nobody should say that DLH beat Sturm just because three bad judges said so.

It seems you're trying to create an arguement that I'm not willing to get into. I think Juan Diaz, Ricky Hatton, Mikkel Kessler might have better offenses than Manny, p4p, by the way. Guzman, when he is on, also can throw every punch in the book. Paul Malignaggi also gets some credit there.

The reason I rank Floyd above say Calderon who I think has better skills, is because Mayweather has the skills, and the big name fighters. It's not Calderons fault but it is what it is. I did say that undefeated had something to do with Mayweather being number one, but it wasn't my focal point.

Win or lose to Castillo, he did beat him in the rematch, and then continued with his career. So, it didn't affect him much. It doesn't matter what I say about who beat who, I'm not a judge, so it really doesn't matter. I WANTED and THINK De La Hoya beat Trinidad, that doesn't change the official ruling.

But seriously, if you'd like to choose Manny as your number one p4p fighter, I'm not against that. Depending on how Floyd defends the true welterweight title against Hatton and if he wins, I might be doing the same thing on December 9th.

[joepal]

It seems you're trying to create an arguement that I'm not willing to get into. I think Juan Diaz, Ricky Hatton, Mikkel Kessler might have better offenses than Manny, p4p, by the way. Guzman, when he is on, also can throw every punch in the book. Paul Malignaggi also gets some credit there.

The reason I rank Floyd above say Calderon who I think has better skills, is because Mayweather has the skills, and the big name fighters. It's not Calderons fault but it is what it is. I did say that undefeated had something to do with Mayweather being number one, but it wasn't my focal point.

Win or lose to Castillo, he did beat him in the rematch, and then continued with his career. So, it didn't affect him much. It doesn't matter what I say about who beat who, I'm not a judge, so it really doesn't matter. I WANTED and THINK De La Hoya beat Trinidad, that doesn't change the official ruling.

But seriously, if you'd like to choose Manny as your number one p4p fighter, I'm not against that. Depending on how Floyd defends the true welterweight title against Hatton and if he wins, I might be doing the same thing on December 9th.

Diaz, Hatton, Kessler, Guzman, Malignaggi have better offensive skills p4p than Pacquiao? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND? I am unearthing a closet PacHater here. You're being inconsistent man. You just said that Pacquiao had a not-so-good defense, so you're essentially saying that Diaz et al are all better p4p fighters than Pacquiao.

You should never penalize Calderon for something that he isnt at fault of. He has fought the best in his category while Floyd hasnt, so you can't say that he lacks the big names. And didn't you just say that Floyd opponents were not great fighters, only very good ones?

Like I said, erroneous judgments have no place in a discussion board, so let's refrain from using them any one bit or in any manner.

[THe TRiNiTY]

Diaz, Hatton, Kessler, Guzman, Malignaggi have better offensive skills p4p than Pacquiao? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND? I am unearthing a closet PacHater here. You're being inconsistent man. You just said that Pacquiao had a not-so-good defense, so you're essentially saying that Diaz et al are all better p4p fighters than Pacquiao.

You should never penalize Calderon for something that he isnt at fault of. He has fought the best in his category while Floyd hasnt, so you can't say that he lacks the big names. And didn't you just say that Floyd opponents were not great fighters, only very good ones?

Like I said, erroneous judgments have no place in a discussion board, so let's refrain from using them any one bit or in any manner.

I didn't say Diaz was a p4p better fighter than Pacman. You're out of your right mind if you read that. I said he had an exciting offense. You can compare the two. The same with Kessler and Malignaggi, and Guzman. I didn't say they were better overall fighters, or higher ranked. I said they have a great offense. Manny, overall, is a better fighter than the guys I mentioned.

As far as Calderon, I have no choice. He hasn't proven himself against TRULY tough opponents, other than his last fight. Sorry, but the big fish in a small pond theory applies for something like this. And yes, Mayweather has very good opponents, with a couple of great ones. Calderons opponents are generally, pretty good. I have YET to see him fight a GREAT opponent. His last opponent, was as close as he's gotten. And FOR THE LAST TIME, I LIKE MANNY PACQUAIO. You're just making **** up at this point to argue with me on. I'm a fan of his. Just ****ing drop it at this point.

[joepal]

I didn't say Diaz was a p4p better fighter than Pacman. You're out of your right mind if you read that. I said he had an exciting offense. You can compare the two. The same with Kessler and Malignaggi, and Guzman. I didn't say they were better overall fighters, or higher ranked. I said they have a great offense. Manny, overall, is a better fighter than the guys I mentioned.

As far as Calderon, I have no choice. He hasn't proven himself against TRULY tough opponents, other than his last fight. Sorry, but the big fish in a small pond theory applies for something like this. And yes, Mayweather has very good opponents, with a couple of great ones. Calderons opponents are generally, pretty good. I have YET to see him fight a GREAT opponent. His last opponent, was as close as he's gotten. And FOR THE LAST TIME, I LIKE MANNY PACQUAIO. You're just making **** up at this point to argue with me on. I'm a fan of his. Just ****ing drop it at this point.

THE HELL YOU ARE NOT. Saying "I think Juan Diaz, Ricky Hatton, Mikkel Kessler might have better offenses than Manny, p4p, by the way", then adding Guzman and frigging Paul Malignaggi just outs you as a closet PacHater. Jeebus man. This has to take the cake as the most idiotic post of the year. Congratulations.

[THe TRiNiTY]

THE HELL YOU ARE NOT. Saying "I think Juan Diaz, Ricky Hatton, Mikkel Kessler might have better offenses than Manny, p4p, by the way", then adding Guzman and frigging Paul Malignaggi just outs you as a closet PacHater. Jeebus man. This has to take the cake as the most idiotic post of the year. Congratulations.

You must be running out of ammunition. Because offense doesn't make you a better fighter. Juan Diaz has a better offense than Willie Pep, Willie Pep is still a WAY better overall fighter. Paul Malignaggi has yet to showcase his skills in a boring fight. he's fast, in and out and throws bunches of punches, and is very accurate. That's exciting and effective if I've ever heard of it. Joan Guzman is essentially a smaller version of Paulie, but with more pop, p4p and a bit better overall skills.

Ask ANYONE, this isn't an idiotic post. It's just an opinion. You know, we're not supposed to agree? That's what makes this a discussion board.

[joepal]

You must be running out of ammunition. Because offense doesn't make you a better fighter. Juan Diaz has a better offense than Willie Pep, Willie Pep is still a WAY better overall fighter. Paul Malignaggi has yet to showcase his skills in a boring fight. he's fast, in and out and throws bunches of punches, and is very accurate. That's exciting and effective if I've ever heard of it. Joan Guzman is essentially a smaller version of Paulie, but with more pop, p4p and a bit better overall skills.

Ask ANYONE, this isn't an idiotic post. It's just an opinion. You know, we're not supposed to agree? That's what makes this a discussion board.

This is what you just said man:

Pac lacks defense.
Pac's offense is less than Diaz, Kessler, Hatton, Guzman, Malignaggi etc.

So unless your saying that Diaz et al have ZERO defense, you are essentially saying that these people are p4p better fighters than Pacquiao. Which is so ridiculous you ought to off yourself.