The wasted potential of : Zab Judah

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  • Wiley Hyena
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    #41
    Originally posted by -Antonio-
    I think Judah was as good as he ever was going to be. KayJay seems to be the only other guy who feels the same way.
    The thing about it is that if Zab were less of a fighter and more of a businessman, he might be champion of the world now. He took on plrime Tszyu at 140. He stood his ground with Baldomir. He took on Cotto in a great fight. Think about it. These are things that Floyd never did. That's what's sad about it. He's a fighter.

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      #42
      Originally posted by Wiley Hyena
      The thing about it is that if Zab were less of a fighter and more of a businessman, he might be champion of the world now. He took on plrime Tszyu at 140. He stood his ground with Baldomir. He took on Cotto in a great fight. Think about it. These are things that Floyd never did. That's what's sad about it. He's a fighter.
      I agree with you 100% about the businessman statement because that could have been possible. I always use Hopkins as an example of that.

      I just think he reached his potential as far as skills go People only look at his speed and power, and they forget about things like boxing technique, boxing intelligence, ability to adjust mid-fight, ability to overcome adversity and fight back.

      These are all "skills". Skills that Judah for the most part lacked...

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        #43
        ****ing great post man I will add to my fav's. The assesment that Judah was like Pernell with power were true, dedication outside the ring lead to his downfall inside of it.
        Appreciate it bro, I took my time writing all this **** out. I'm still not quite sure what's solely responsible for Judah's demise. A combination of different factors would be my guess. Life outside the ring being one of the most influential of those.

        And he is and was a very mentally weak fighter. I thought Cotto was going to dust him after 6 because of Judah's heart...or lack thereof. But that was really the only time I have seen Judah show a hell of a lot of heart...not just pride.
        Everybody had written him off for that fight yet again. In my heart of hearts I was hopeful he could make a comeback because in my eyes, there hasn't been a fighter who's ever been more entertaining than Zab Judah when he's "on".

        And as that fight wore on Judah's performance reminded me of Tyson's against Lewis. Clearly outgunned, taking a serious as kicking but refusing to quit. He took his ass kicking like a man for many rounds, and pulled himself off the canvas in the 11th. Let's face it, he didn't have to. And the Judah of old wouldn't have done that. I think he felt obligated to show critics there's still some semblance of that old Judah left inside of him.

        it wasnt waisted potential...zab is a great fighter
        It is wasted if Zab doesn't do something to bring himself back from the brink of mediocrity....if that's even possible at this point in time.

        Nice read. IMO the problem is that Judah's balls were TOO big. At 23, as undefeated JRWW champ, he should have fought anybody else but Kostya Tszyu. Way too dangerous. But his big balls took him where some "superstars" simply would not go. It was downhill from there.
        I've often wondered if he was too ballsy for his own good as well.

        I think Judah was as good as he ever was going to be. KayJay seems to be the only other guy who feels the same way.
        I think most of us either have accepted that now, or are beginning to accept it.

        I just think he reached his potential as far as skills go People only look at his speed and power, and they forget about things like boxing technique, boxing intelligence, ability to adjust mid-fight, ability to overcome adversity and fight back.

        These are all "skills". Skills that Judah for the most part lacked...
        Sad....but true.

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        • kayjay
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          #44
          Originally posted by The_Bringer
          I'm known for being the special kind of prick who takes time to reply to ****. And if I'm actually writing about something I care about, forget it.
          Why do you want to write off a man's flaws? Judah didn't waste his potential, he's a limited talent who does a few things excellently and thereby fools the uncautious observer.

          Sorry.

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            #45
            Originally posted by -Antonio-
            I agree with you 100% about the businessman statement because that could have been possible. I always use Hopkins as an example of that.

            I just think he reached his potential as far as skills go People only look at his speed and power, and they forget about things like boxing technique, boxing intelligence, ability to adjust mid-fight, ability to overcome adversity and fight back.
            These are all "skills". Skills that Judah for the most part lacked...
            All the skills that Mayweather possesses are the ones Judah lacks.

            You could also add chin, I'm not sure if that's a 'skill', but without it it's hard to be a great champ.

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            • SUPER ZAB FAN
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              #46
              Me being a Judah fan ( Check the Handle ) LOL
              I blame Yoel Judah for his down fall . I think if he got with a good trainer he could make a comeback in the welterweight division . The sad thing is he will never fire his dad .

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                #47
                Originally posted by SUPER ZAB FAN
                Me being a Judah fan ( Check the Handle ) LOL
                I blame Yoel Judah for his down fall . I think if he got with a good trainer he could make a comeback in the welterweight division . The sad thing is he will never fire his dad .
                Yoel is a horrible trainer. I've always had that impression of him but it wasn't until I saw him manage Mayorga and Mendoza that I was positive. Fathers as trainers generally aren't the best choice, the only one I can think of that actually worked well was Mosley and his dad.

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                  #48
                  Yeah... joudah coulda woulda shoulda.

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by The_Bringer
                    Yoel is a horrible trainer. I've always had that impression of him but it wasn't until I saw him manage Mayorga and Mendoza that I was positive. Fathers as trainers generally aren't the best choice, the only one I can think of that actually worked well was Mosley and his dad.
                    Yeah , I think if he got with Freddy Roach or maybe even James Mosely it would help him out a ton . I dont think he has the heart though to get rid of his father. Oh well " It is what it is "

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by SUPER ZAB FAN
                      Yeah , I think if he got with Freddy Roach or maybe even James Mosely it would help him out a ton . I dont think he has the heart though to get rid of his father. Oh well " It is what it is "
                      For some reason I've always thought Floyd Sr. would make an excellent trainer for Zab. How weird would that situation be?

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