The wasted potential of : Zab Judah

[pesticid]

Hey bringer,

How about the wasted potential of Hamed. Just kidding bro! I know you hate his guts. Still though, his natural talent meaning athletic ability at 126 was ridiculous.

[ßringer]

Hey bringer,

How about the wasted potential of Hamed. Just kidding bro! I know you hate his guts. Still though, his natural talent meaning athletic ability at 126 was ridiculous.

I actually was thinking about doing him after the piece on Tyson. Even though I disliked the guy immensely, he still had a lot of natural talent that went to waste. I knock him for being an overly ****y ass a lot, but I'll never knock him in terms of his natural talents.

[MindBat]

Excellent Post!

That was great, Bringer!

I too remember Zab's amateur days, and reading about his Golden Gloves wins in NY.

He was compared to Sweet Pea by the boxing writers, who were praising his accomplishments in the ring.

I was certainly looking forward to the rising star from Brooklyn, NY.

Zab is one of those athletes who possess such natural abilities to be great at their chosen sport, but just can't get to that point of greatness and superstardom beyond compare.

Perhaps, it was due to his environment or upbringing.

But, I gather it's more a matter the discipline and total dedication to the craft that he could've invested more time in.

Many up and coming fighters get a taste of the rewards and fame afforded to them as a byproduct of their performances, and then choose to slack off their training a little more each day until they get to the point that by the time they realize how far they've slipped, the road back into contention becomes that much harder to establish once again.

Zab has accomplished much in the sport, fought some of the top guys in his division, and earned his titles.

In my opinion, he can revamp his boxing career by starting over brand new with renewed dedication, perhaps a change in trainers and atmosphere, and a true hunger to be on top again... Only if it's not already too late.

The saying goes: "You can't teach an old dog new tricks".

I say: "Only if the dog isn't open minded enough to try new things".

In any event, he'll always have his fans and clique who appreciate his contributions to the sport.

[ßringer]

That was great, Bringer!

I too remember Zab's amateur days, and reading about his Golden Gloves wins in NY.

He was compared to Sweet Pea by the boxing writers, who were praising his accomplishments in the ring.

I was certainly looking forward to the rising star from Brooklyn, NY.

Zab is one of those athletes who possess such natural abilities to be great at their chosen sport, but just can't get to that point of greatness and superstardom beyond compare.

Perhaps, it was due to his environment or upbringing.

But, I gather it's more a matter the discipline and total dedication to the craft that he could've invested more time in.

Many up and coming fighters get a taste of the rewards and fame afforded to them as a byproduct of their performances, and then choose to slack off their training a little more each day until they get to the point that by the time they realize how far they've slipped, the road back into contention becomes that much harder to establish once again.

Zab has accomplished much in the sport, fought some of the top guys in his division, and earned his titles.

In my opinion, he can revamp his boxing career by starting over brand new with renewed dedication, perhaps a change in trainers and atmosphere, and a true hunger to be on top again... Only if it's not already too late.

The saying goes: "You can't teach an old dog new tricks".

I say: "Only if the dog isn't open minded enough to try new things".

In any event, he'll always have his fans and clique who appreciate his contributions to the sport.

It's true. What's happened to Zab is the same story that's happened to a lot of young, gifted fighters who couldn't handle the pressure of stardom. They go from having nothing to having everything overnight, and instead of dedicating more time and effort to stay at that level, the spend more time spending money and flaunting their fame.

I can't fault him for it because so many have done the same thing, and who's to say any of us wouldn't have fallen into the same trap? Still I see Judah take a lot more **** about it than any of those other guys, that's why I feel compelled to defend him.

A change of atmosphere and a new trainer could really get Zab back on track. Can you imagine if he had Emmanuel Steward training him? Or maybe Floyd Sr. however unlikely?

Yoel is a good guy but his training knowledge is limited and his advice in the corner most often sucks. Most recently he told Mendoza that he was doing great against Dawson.

He's taken some serious falls, but I don't think Zab is damaged goods just yet.

[MindBat]

I concur

It's true. What's happened to Zab is the same story that's happened to a lot of young, gifted fighters who couldn't handle the pressure of stardom. They go from having nothing to having everything overnight, and instead of dedicating more time and effort to stay at that level, the spend more time spending money and flaunting their fame.

I can't fault him for it because so many have done the same thing, and who's to say any of us wouldn't have fallen into the same trap? Still I see Judah take a lot more **** about it than any of those other guys, that's why I feel compelled to defend him.

A change of atmosphere and a new trainer could really get Zab back on track. Can you imagine if he had Emmanuel Steward training him? Or maybe Floyd Sr. however unlikely?

Yoel is a good guy but his training knowledge is limited and his advice in the corner most often sucks. Most recently he told Mendoza that he was doing great against Dawson.

He's taken some serious falls, but I don't think Zab is damaged goods just yet.

You took the words right outta my mouth.

Something needs to change drastically for him to shine once more, is how I feel.

[Fox McCloud]

I have seen quite a few of Zab Judah's fights now... I originally only saw him against Mayweather Jr. and Cotto, and I was convinced that he was 1. a pretty cool guy, and 2. the absolute ****ing man in the ring when he put it together.

Then I became somewhat of a fan of Judah, so I collected and watched as many fights as I could.

My views stayed the same for the first few fights of his that I watched, but they were against really ****ty opposition, so it was okay to be really ****y, and really easy to look really good.

As I watched more and more, I realized that he actually wasn't nearly as good as I thought he was, and he really isn't that cool of a guy. He is an absolute ****, and doesn't even try to make it funny when he is being a ****.

He blew it against Tszyu, and he did so in a ****** fashion. At the point where he lost his ****ing mind, it would have been split at a round a piece. Still a lot of work to be done from both sides to win.

I watched his first fight with Cory Spinks recently, and he really just didn't look all that good.

For starters, I don't even know what this guy's style really is. He sort of a is a puncher, sort of a boxer, sort of a brawler. He is okay at all of those styles, but not great at any.

I don't know, this post is very inconclusive, but I really think Judah's talent is overrated itself.

Overall, I can't support someone who doesn't take the sport seriously at all.

[ßringer]

I have seen quite a few of Zab Judah's fights now... I originally only saw him against Mayweather Jr. and Cotto, and I was convinced that he was 1. a pretty cool guy, and 2. the absolute ****ing man in the ring when he put it together.

Then I became somewhat of a fan of Judah, so I collected and watched as many fights as I could.

My views stayed the same for the first few fights of his that I watched, but they were against really ****ty opposition, so it was okay to be really ****y, and really easy to look really good.

As I watched more and more, I realized that he actually wasn't nearly as good as I thought he was, and he really isn't that cool of a guy. He is an absolute ****, and doesn't even try to make it funny when he is being a ****.

He blew it against Tszyu, and he did so in a ****** fashion. At the point where he lost his ****ing mind, it would have been split at a round a piece. Still a lot of work to be done from both sides to win.

I watched his first fight with Cory Spinks recently, and he really just didn't look all that good.

For starters, I don't even know what this guy's style really is. He sort of a is a puncher, sort of a boxer, sort of a brawler. He is okay at all of those styles, but not great at any.

I don't know, this post is very inconclusive, but I really think Judah's talent is overrated itself.

Overall, I can't support someone who doesn't take the sport seriously at all.

I can understand the resentment for the lack of dedication, and I'm almost certain that a big part of why people hate Judah. And you're spot on about his style, I still find myself wondering exactly what he is. I guess he'll always be one of those guys who did everything good, but nothing great.

Do you think there's any chance of another comeback? Or do you think he's played that card one too many times?

[MindBat]

I have seen quite a few of Zab Judah's fights now... I originally only saw him against Mayweather Jr. and Cotto, and I was convinced that he was 1. a pretty cool guy, and 2. the absolute ****ing man in the ring when he put it together.

Then I became somewhat of a fan of Judah, so I collected and watched as many fights as I could.

My views stayed the same for the first few fights of his that I watched, but they were against really ****ty opposition, so it was okay to be really ****y, and really easy to look really good.

As I watched more and more, I realized that he actually wasn't nearly as good as I thought he was, and he really isn't that cool of a guy. He is an absolute ****, and doesn't even try to make it funny when he is being a ****.

He blew it against Tszyu, and he did so in a ****** fashion. At the point where he lost his ****ing mind, it would have been split at a round a piece. Still a lot of work to be done from both sides to win.

I watched his first fight with Cory Spinks recently, and he really just didn't look all that good.

For starters, I don't even know what this guy's style really is. He sort of a is a puncher, sort of a boxer, sort of a brawler. He is okay at all of those styles, but not great at any.

I don't know, this post is very inconclusive, but I really think Judah's talent is overrated itself.

Overall, I can't support someone who doesn't take the sport seriously at all.

Similar thing with my interest in Tyson, when he burst on the scene with explosive power.

I read, watched and bought magazines, videos, and books having to do with Tyson cause he was the man in his prime.

And then, it was as if someone squeezed a lemon in my mouth, and I've had this sour taste ever since.

Guess not everybody can be a Ray Robinson, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Wayne Gretzki, or Roger Federer.

Or Floyd Jr.

[pesticid]

I think Zab's style i simple. His style looks like he's casually sparring. Guys who spar in the gym instead of having battles do not have well defined style, and that's what's up with Zab. If he were forced to fight in his sparring sessions since early on he could've become a cutie or a swarmer or smth more defined than he is now. That's why I used to hate taking it easy in sparring.

[steptwome]

It's true. What's happened to Zab is the same story that's happened to a lot of young, gifted fighters who couldn't handle the pressure of stardom. They go from having nothing to having everything overnight, and instead of dedicating more time and effort to stay at that level, the spend more time spending money and flaunting their fame.

I can't fault him for it because so many have done the same thing, and who's to say any of us wouldn't have fallen into the same trap? Still I see Judah takes a lot more **** about it than any of those other guys, that's why I feel compelled to defend him.

A change of atmosphere and a new trainer could really get Zab back on track. Can you imagine if he had Emmanuel Steward training him? Or maybe Floyd Sr. however unlikely?

Yoel is a good guy but his training knowledge is limited and his advice in the corner most often sucks. Most recently he told Mendoza that he was doing great against Dawson.

He's taken some serious falls, but I don't think Zab is damaged goods just yet.

Valid points............but some would dispute the latter part
I believe Zab can still make an impact if he dedicated himself more to the sport.