Who's Full Of It?

[freedom213]

Did you give Hatton vs. Tszyu a go?

That's another good one for hints and clues.

watched it a couple months ago again and took a look at the highlights but I thought the most relevant fight would be against Collazo, his speed and style is more similiar. Couldnt believe how dirty an SOB Ricky is but he better continue these tactics if he wants to have a good chance against Mayweather

[Azteca]

watched it a couple months ago again and took a look at the highlights but I thought the most relevant fight would be against Collazo, his speed and style is more similiar. Couldnt believe how dirty an SOB Ricky is but he better continue these tactics if he wants to have a good chance against Mayweather

Styles make fights. Collazo is as a lefty so it's a bad comparison.

[MindBat]

Who's full of it?

Wellll...

I won't mention any sudo-names... ahem.....

But, being that I don't post very much, I respect the opinions of many of the regular posters here who have interesting analogies even if it's in opposition to my favorite fighter.

I will say I have learned from many of you. And, for the most part, whatever opinion I've wanted to express is usually posted by someone else.

There are a few who's opinion you can pick out as not being well thought out
before being posted, and those who just plain and simply ejaculate, throw up, piss on, and fart over any post they find threatening, with name calling and what not. But, hey...it's all good.

Many of us are going to be biased toward our favorite boxers regardless of opinion, and we will certainly be classified as super galactic salad tossers.

Well, not me. I'm allergic to salad. And the only tossing I'll do is midgets toward a row of bowling pins.

All in all, there are very many good posters on opposite sides of the Boxing Scene family.

Some of you are passionate enough about this sport to take up writing in this field as a profession (check yourself).

Oh, and we're all full of it.

The passion for boxing, that is.
























































































































































































































































Hatton will lose

[shawn_]

There is really only one important thing to look at when determining how this fight will play out, Ricky's holding habits.

Ricky Hatton is an offensive holder, meaning he grabs on to one of your arms to neutralize any offensive capabilities you have when he comes in for his attack.

Floyd Mayweather, as demonstrated in the De La Hoya fight, is a defensive holder. This means that he usually grabs onto your right arm when you put him against the ropes and try to hammer him.

What does this mean? Floyd will tag Ricky while he gets inside, Ricky will grab Floyd's left arm, while Floyd grabs Rickys right arm.

In essence they will both be attempting to clench at the same time.
Ricky will hammer away with left hooks to the body, while Floyd will pot shot him with right uppercuts. When Floyd has had enough, he will grab Ricky's left arm and force the ref to break them, starting the process all over again.

This will be a boring fight, unless Ricky completely forgoes the left hook, and tries to make the fight all about uppercuts, in which case it might be interesting.

Most likely, Floyd will win by UD, with the judges favoring his clean shots landed while Ricky tries to get inside. A good fight to watch for how the action will play out, is Roman Karmizan v Cory Spinks. Not exactly how the fight will look, but an example of a game plan based on defensive holding.

[Azteca]

There is really only one important thing to look at when determining how this fight will play out, Ricky's holding habits.

Ricky Hatton is an offensive holder, meaning he grabs on to one of your arms to neutralize any offensive capabilities you have when he comes in for his attack.

Floyd Mayweather, as demonstrated in the De La Hoya fight, is a defensive holder. This means that he usually grabs onto your right arm when you put him against the ropes and try to hammer him.

What does this mean? Floyd will tag Ricky while he gets inside, Ricky will grab Floyd's left arm, while Floyd grabs Rickys right arm.

In essence they will both be attempting to clench at the same time.
Ricky will hammer away with left hooks to the body, while Floyd will pot shot him with right uppercuts. When Floyd has had enough, he will grab Ricky's left arm and force the ref to break them, starting the process all over again.

This will be a boring fight, unless Ricky completely forgoes the left hook, and tries to make the fight all about uppercuts, in which case it might be interesting.

Most likely, Floyd will win by UD, with the judges favoring his clean shots landed while Ricky tries to get inside. A good fight to watch for how the action will play out, is Roman Karmizan v Cory Spinks. Not exactly how the fight will look, but an example of a game plan based on defensive holding.

Interesting post. Not going to say I totally agree, but they are good points nonetheless.

The battle of the holder's. ha ha

[Wiley Hyena]

Excellent scenario, much like I see it myself.

I think we'll see Floyd leaping in with left hooks and hard rights, and then try to smother any shots Ricky tries to counter with.
Unlike you, I think Ricky will go down, probably from a left hook or possibly a right to the body-left hook upstair combination.

I'd like to say that I think Hatton would wear out from the pace and effort he's going to put up in the first few rounds, but this fight is too important for him to show up with anything other than perfect physique.

Later in the fight, when the pace settles down just a tad, maybe after Hatton goes down, I think Floyd will start to box from the back foot and landing those hard left jabs I know he can throw.
I don't think he will lead too much with the right hand as he usually does, because those left hooks to the body from Hatton won't allow that.

But whatever way the fight swings, I highly doubt Floyd will run from Hatton.
We shouldn't underestimate Hatton, but don't underestimate Mayweather either...

Dios, Addie, and Tyson: All good scenarios. I would offer this:

My analysis based on a probability breakdown:

a. no reasonable probability; b. slight probability; c. reasonably probable; d. highly probable

1. As we all know, one punch can change the course of a fight, even at WW.
IMO: This is reasonably probable from the Hatton side. This is slightly probable from the Floyd side. It is reasonably probable from past performances that Hatton could deliver a debilitating body shot that would change this fight. There is a greater probability of this happening than of Floyd delivering one fight changing head or body shot. IMO

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2. We also know that cumulative punches can take their toll on an opponent.
IMO: It is reasonably probable that Hatton's punch output will exceed Floyd's. I do believe this. This is based upon my opinion that after an initial confrontation early in the fight, Floyd will step away and play active defense. This is a key observation. If I'm wrong, then my final conclusion will be negatively affected. Accordingly, Hatton will continue to pour it on to get inside. Hatton will have the physical conditioning to do this for the majority, if not all, of the fight. IMO there is a reasonable probability that this will be true.

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3. Styles make fights.
Premise A. IMO, IF Hatton can consistently score thru Floyd's defense, then it is highly probable that Floyd will be damaged through accumulations and/or one fight changing shot. IF not, then it is ONLY REASONABLY PROBABLE that Floyd wins the fight. The reasons for this observation will be shown below.

Premise B: IMO, Hatton is a swarmer-brawler-puncher. Floyd is a technically skilled boxer with respectable but limited power. Hatton's style is perfectly designed to wear down a boxer that has limited power. Excluding the slight possibility of an early cut stoppage against Hatton, I will proceed:

There is a reasonable probability that Floyd will try to avoid getting hit. This is based upon past performances. Therefore, Floyd has two options:
A. Take Hatton into the late rounds, and go for cumulative damage in order to get a TKO/KO. There is only a slight probability of this happening because if Floyd takes this tack, then he will have to exchange with Hatton on a consistent basis and there is only a slight probability that he will damage Hatton with one fight changing shot.
B. Out-point Hatton for a 12 round UD or SD. There is a HIGH PROBABILITY of Floyd taking this avenue for the reasons stated above.

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4. The probabilities of Hatton beating a Floyd that is trying to win on points.

IMO, there is a HIGH probability that because of the momentus nature of this fight and the circumstances surrounding both fighters' careers at this time, the public in general and the judges will PENALIZE Floyd for trying to go for a win on points. IN this fight, the AGGRESSOR will be the winner.

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CONCLUSION:

There is a high probability that Floyd will be penalized for electing to outpoint Hatton for a decision victory.

Therefore, there is a reasonable probability that Hatton will win by decision. There is a slight probability that Hatton will win by KO/TKO. There is a slight probability that Mayweather wins by decision. There is a slight probability that Mayweather wins by KO/TKO.

Pick: Hatton by decision.

[Piggu]

I bull****ed my way through my first few months at the site.

[Addison]

watched it a couple months ago again and took a look at the highlights but I thought the most relevant fight would be against Collazo, his speed and style is more similiar. Couldnt believe how dirty an SOB Ricky is but he better continue these tactics if he wants to have a good chance against Mayweather

Hatton is dirty. He's just a mad mother****er in there.

This is natural for Hatton. He's a reptile in the ring.

Mayweather has never fought a human iguana before. That's what's up.

[Addison]

I bull****ed my way through my first few months at the site.

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[shawn_]

One of the key factors I see alot of people neglecting in analysis is response.

For example:
Hatton will apply pressure

How will Floyd react? Floyd will back up to the ropes, as he has done in every other pressure situation. Is this bad? No, it works to Floyd's advantage, as he is comfortable in that situation.

Floyd will tag Hatton with hooks and right hands as he tries to come inside.

How will Hatton react? Hatton will try and grab onto one of Floyds arms to prevent him from punching.

ect...

You really have to get down to the nuances of each fighters habits. No matter how much a fighter says he will change his habbits, he never will.

Just look at Jermain Taylor, how many times did he insist that he would keep his left hand high for his fight with Pavlik? What did he do? He kept his left and low like he always has and always will.

Floyd will not stop backing up from constant pressure, and Hatton will not stop trying to hold offensively.

Some people will say, Floyd doesn't always back up to pressure fighters. Yes, he does. It is true that Floyd will stand in the middle of the ring and trade with you, but a fighter that is trying to stand and trade with you is different than a fighter that is trying to apply pressure. Floyd always has, and always will back up when pressure is applied.