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Unfortunately, the people that Floyd fought at 140 were fairly highly regarded http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.ph...rweight--2000s
1. N'dou was not even a fight at 140.
2.Neither was Sosa
3. Corley was his initiation fight at 140, and was rated around #6
4. Was a title eliminator
5. Gatti was considered the #2 in the division when Floyd fought him, Kostya was #1. and Kostya was tied up with Hatton, wasnt he?
it seems everyone has provided a lot more evidence than you. I try to be open minded, but at least try to support your arguments with something. and its ridiculous to try and say a fighter is 'ducking' another just because they wont MORE UP in weight to fight them. especially if thats their second weight class. its like trying to say that Hatton was 'ducking', I dont know, Winky Wright. or even any Welterweights. you just having nothing to go by if you try and say that.Comment
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That is also called (sadly) "career of boxers today".
Minimizing the risk is part of maximizing the reward. With all the ******ed fans ready to say a fighter is exposed if he has a loss. Losing means less money down the line. And getting in the ring with Zoo, giving away 10 pounds or more is asking for trouble...
Anyway I think that part of Mayweathers' career (everything in between Castilo and Judah) is clearly his worse. There is really something wrong with that, probably related to his court troubles. He was not even maximizing the reward.
Think about it: Mayweather spends his best years (26-28 is a fighters' absolute prime physically), in what could have been his best weight classes (135-140, not as skinny as at 130, not as outsized by EVERYONE as at 147) fighting a string of sub-par opposition. In 2004, he fought ONCE!Comment
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Exactly. I agree.
It's not his fault either...more Arum's. Mayweather was disgruntled with him all along. I cant count the number of interviews I have read of him around that time where he was bashing Arum. He even said he wasn't happy with how his career went before Gatti.
Im sure he probably would of liked to be a bit more active...but now after the 20 million debacle we wont see him in with any young lions any time soon. Lions not named Ricky Hatton. He is going to go after the big paydays, and the big paydays only. The same with Ricky.Comment
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^ NOT a ALT...
Just playing.
I think Wiley follows boxing. But the haterade is off the chain in his "who did Floyd" duck threads.
It's comical. Just do the damn thing. "Hatton is going to win", isn't that what the whole point of these ****tard threads?
If Hatton does win, hey, he was the better man on that night. No hate here. But I just call it as I see it.
"Gayweather the coward", beats Hatton. By a BIG margain.Comment
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Its called building your career and every fighter that ever laced on gloves has so called gimme fights , from KT to Ray Robinson ,, this whole he ducked him is bull**** from the fighters perspective 99% of the time ,, the fighter doesnt have all the say in who he fights , most times they have very little and its controlled by the networks , the managers and the promoters , its more complicated these days with more fingers in the pie than ever before , a fighter cannot fight everyone so they select on the basis of career and asset building and what can be arranged to keep all partys happy , its a juggling act .. then you have fans with **** for brains that are so filled with hate they will bag everything a certain fighter does just like Wiley does with Floyd , they never present facts because they dont have any , they just talk their **** day in day out and the world is full of them .Comment
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Yeah Floyd didnt doge Zoo at all.Comment
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Thats exactly right and Kostya didnt dodge Floyd either , KT got beat and that was the end of them two fighting , Kt is like a generation older than Floyd , PBF was moving into the division and KT was moving out to retirement , the facts are clearly stated thread after thread , they would hold up in court they are that strong , the dates cannot be refuted , the known facts cannot be refuted , anybody that thinks Floyd ducked KT in light of all thats been presented is a total ***wit .Comment
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Wiley bases Floyd ducking Zoo on the fact that Floyd did not force Zoo to fight him as his mandatory or be stripped, I didn't know that if you didn't do that you were ducking someone. Coyote, you don't even know what ducking means.Last edited by SkillspayBills; 10-13-2007, 06:32 PM.Comment
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to be an alltime great, the burden is on floyd to get that done, if he wants it. all time greats clean out divisions. floyd has alltime great talent, but he hasnt cleaned out a division since 130. you cant spend the prime of your career wasting time on bruselles, mitchell, and fighting guys coming off loses in corely, and judah. a fight with casameyor would have been nice, vivian harris or junior witter would have been better for a resume than gatti or bruselles. fighting a physically prime top 5 welterweight would be better for alltime great status than his choices in the past year. fighting hatton at 140 for the legit 140 pound title instead of 147 would be better than whatever piece of plastic he got for the gatti fight.
these are the choices floyds made. his talent is undeniable, he does have quality wins. but anyone arguing that hes an alltime great is wrong, because hes made business decisions at the cost of in ring accomplishments that an alltime great fighter must have.
its tough for floyd fans, and himself, to accept but its not good enough to argue "he would beat them all aways." unfortunately, you have to prove it, even when your phenominally talented. you never know who proves the be the best challenge, and who actually pushes your talents further in competition. too many of his opponents in his physical prime had no chance whatsoever to provide floyd with any of thisComment
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