Contenders that Floyd Dodged

[Ray Ray]

.....lol....so much hostility says something in itself. Let it die, before I decide to get back on my bandwagon....and the "five bum theory" is a very interesting bandwagon.. C'mon ****heads. Start me up!

I'm having fun laughing at your dumbass. Go ahead get stated

[Wiley Hyena]

I'm having fun laughing at your dumbass. Go ahead get stated

No....because you don't have the wherewithall to even make sane arguments. You just act like a frustrated 15 year old kid. Is that what you are?

[Ray Ray]

No....because you don't have the wherewithall to even make sane arguments. You just act like a frustrated 15 year old kid. Is that what you are?

[RodBarker]

Yeah Floyd didnt doge Zoo at all.

to be an alltime great, the burden is on floyd to get that done, if he wants it. all time greats clean out divisions. floyd has alltime great talent, but he hasnt cleaned out a division since 130. you cant spend the prime of your career wasting time on bruselles, mitchell, and fighting guys coming off loses in corely, and judah. a fight with casameyor would have been nice, vivian harris or junior witter would have been better for a resume than gatti or bruselles. fighting a physically prime top 5 welterweight would be better for alltime great status than his choices in the past year. fighting hatton at 140 for the legit 140 pound title instead of 147 would be better than whatever piece of plastic he got for the gatti fight.

these are the choices floyds made. his talent is undeniable, he does have quality wins. but anyone arguing that hes an alltime great is wrong, because hes made business decisions at the cost of in ring accomplishments that an alltime great fighter must have.

its tough for floyd fans, and himself, to accept but its not good enough to argue "he would beat them all aways." unfortunately, you have to prove it, even when your phenominally talented. you never know who proves the be the best challenge, and who actually pushes your talents further in competition. too many of his opponents in his physical prime had no chance whatsoever to provide floyd with any of this

And thats what he is doing , building , the party aint over yet we dont know what Floyd is going to achieve yet he could be the GOAT , we dont know yet ,, and Floyd is at his career best from here in , why are you guys so hell bent trying to belittle his earlier fights when he has a better resume than most and has done things no other fighter in history has done and he is still undefeated , Floyds resume makes Kostyas look ordinary and Floyd is still building his and KT huggers bag Floyd , how they bag him after he schools Hatton will be a spin if you ever gunna hear one , amazing !

[SkillspayBills]

We could talk about who he had a chance to fight and it didn't work out or they ducked him he did this all damn day (his resume have included by now Mosley, Casamayor, Spadafora, Hamed, Hatton, AND Winky Wright but not all great fights can be made) , at the end of the day he still has a solid resume and he is STILL adding names to it.

[Wiley Hyena]

And thats what he is doing , building , the party aint over yet we dont know what Floyd is going to achieve yet he could be the GOAT , we dont know yet ,, and Floyd is at his career best from here in , why are you guys so hell bent trying to belittle his earlier fights when he has a better resume than most and has done things no other fighter in history has done and he is still undefeated , Floyds resume makes Kostyas look ordinary and Floyd is still building his and KT huggers bag Floyd , how they bag him after he schools Hatton will be a spin if you ever gunna hear one , amazing !

Rod, if he beats Hatton convincingly, preferably by KO, and not by that chicken run decision crap...I will be the first to give Floyd credit. Mark my words.

But, IMO, I said "IMO", his record will forever have a black hole named Tszyu. No need to go into it all again. You know why I believe this, and I'm not asking you to agree to it. Reasonable minds can differ on this obviously controversial issue.

[DIOS DOMINICANO]

to be an alltime great, the burden is on floyd to get that done, if he wants it. all time greats clean out divisions. floyd has alltime great talent, but he hasnt cleaned out a division since 130.

This is a fallacy.

Take Ray Leonard, for example. He is surely an all-time great. On the strength of THREE fights. Period.

Duran 2. Hearns. Hagler.

The modern ATG can't fight everybody. You have 40 fights in your career. The first 20-25 are spent "just getting there". You are 25 years old with 25 fights under your belt. You have 7 or 8 years to have about 15 fights at three different weight classes.

You are not going to fight everyone. That is a reality.

Let's take Miguel Cotto as an example:

He turns 27 years old next week. He has 30 fights under his belt. So far, he has fought Zab Judah and Paulie Malignaggi. Not exactly a Murderer' Row. He has Shane Mosley on his slate. If he wins, he will take another fight in late/spring early summer. Against a top guy. If he loses, he will take a tune-up/stay-active fight before he takes somebody big.

Now, Miguel surely is not a "ducker" or a punk. But he did not "clean up" 140. Cleaning up 147 would mean Mosley/Williams/margarito/mayweather and a young lion like Berto. That isn't happening.

By the time Cotto is 31 or so, he would move up to 154. He would have to beat Powell/Julio/Spinks/whoever.

I'm not making excuses for anybody. I'm merely pointing out the realities of modern boxing. It is a business.

Oscar never fought Winky/Forrest. And he isn't considered "a ducker". Rightfully so.
Shane fought NOBODY at lightweight. He has never cleaned out a division.
Mayweather did great work at 130/135. But he couldn't get everyone.

Blame - in part - all of the extra divisions. Junior thises and Super thats.

[Wiley Hyena]

This is a fallacy.

Take Ray Leonard, for example. He is surely an all-time great. On the strength of THREE fights. Period.

Duran 2. Hearns. Hagler.

The modern ATG can't fight everybody. You have 40 fights in your career. The first 20-25 are spent "just getting there". You are 25 years old with 25 fights under your belt. You have 7 or 8 years to have about 15 fights at three different weight classes.

You are not going to fight everyone. That is a reality.

Let's take Miguel Cotto as an example:

He turns 27 years old next week. He has 30 fights under his belt. So far, he has fought Zab Judah and Paulie Malignaggi. Not exactly a Murderer' Row. He has Shane Mosley on his slate. If he wins, he will take another fight in late/spring early summer. Against a top guy. If he loses, he will take a tune-up/stay-active fight before he takes somebody big.

Now, Miguel surely is not a "ducker" or a punk. But he did not "clean up" 140. Cleaning up 147 would mean Mosley/Williams/margarito/mayweather and a young lion like Berto. That isn't happening.

By the time Cotto is 31 or so, he would move up to 154. He would have to beat Powell/Julio/Spinks/whoever.

I'm not making excuses for anybody. I'm merely pointing out the realities of modern boxing. It is a business.

Oscar never fought Winky/Forrest. And he isn't considered "a ducker". Rightfully so.
Shane fought NOBODY at lightweight. He has never cleaned out a division.
Mayweather did great work at 130/135. But he couldn't get everyone.

Blame - in part - all of the extra divisions. Junior thises and Super thats.

partly agree, partly disagree

Agreed as to the "all of the extra divisions" statement. They need to simplify this as well as unify the belts into one championship belt.

Disagree as to your refutation of the statement that "all time greats clean out divisions." All time greats do clean out THEIR division. Of course, this doesn't often happen, that's why they're "all time greats." Cleaning out a division doesn't mean beating everybody in that division in the world. But, it does mean beating all the top contenders in that division. Yes indeed it does.

[steptwome]

partly agree, partly disagree

Agreed as to the "all of the extra divisions" statement. They need to simplify this as well as unify the belts into one championship belt.

Disagree as to your refutation of the statement that "all time greats clean out divisions." All time greats do clean out THEIR division. Of course, this doesn't often happen, that's why they're "all time greats." Cleaning out a division doesn't mean beating everybody in that division in the world. But, it does mean beating all the top contenders in that division. Yes indeed it does.

You refuted that comment well.

[SkillspayBills]

Rod, if he beats Hatton convincingly, preferably by KO, and not by that chicken run decision crap...I will be the first to give Floyd credit. Mark my words.

But, IMO, I said "IMO", his record will forever have a black hole named Tszyu. No need to go into it all again. You know why I believe this, and I'm not asking you to agree to it. Reasonable minds can differ on this obviously controversial issue.

That is not fact that is OPINION. Keep them biased ****s to yourself.