attention losers..ray robinson was not that great @ 160

[jack_the_rippuh]

I think Chris Byrd can pull a UD from Marciano to tell you the truth..

[dempseyfire]

People keep talking about 'advanced training techniques' and physical evolution, both points which are total BS. People are not faster and stronger today then they were 50 years ago-biological evolution DOES NOT work NEARLY that fast. 2ndly, boxers use the same training techniques today as they did 50 years ago, cept the WIDE MAJORITY of boxers 50 years ago were more dedicated and discplined, and went through tougher training regimens. You had to to have any success when you were fighting in such a deeper pool of boxers and talent then you do today, plus the fact that fighters fought over twice as much, and experience in the ring will teach you a hell of a lot more then some Tai Bo trainer giving you his 'scientific' regimen does. The only noticiaeble difference is with weight training and yeah doing the power lifting really helped Tyson, Mosley, and Toney when they started messing with that crap b/c they wanted to look 'big' and they end up looking like crap when their arms get heavy after 3 rounds. If training was more advanced today, how come guys like Fullmer could fight in a fast-paced all action bout for 12 and 15 rounds!!! Middleweights and higher today cept Hopkins get tired after 8 rounds. Fullmer or Robinson would have a huge edge on today's fighters just on stamina/durability alone, let alone boxing skill and experience. Some people may not like it but the era you are watching right now for the most part is inferior to the past generations. This is a declining sport. I'll always love it but you have to face the facts. For example I was watching Baer-Schmeling today and they mentioned that the governers of 6 states were in attendence. Nowadays at a big fight, could you imagine any major politicians to even associate themselves with prizefighting????

Robinson not great?? Take that crap somewhere else . . . .

[cple]

dempseyfire, i concur. Fighters today can barely go 10, let alone 15 fast paced rounds.

[ProBox1]

Everytime I think that fighters of today are better then fighters of the past, I watch a fight that went 15 hard rounds. Today fighters claim to be in better shape, but cant fight a hard fought for more then ten rounds if even that long. Back in the good ole days, there were only a few weight classes, the rules were pretty loose when compared with today and most of the great fighters fought several times a year...even several times a month.

How can fighters today be better when they get winded after 7 rounds and cant fight more then 2 times a year. Some top fighters average one fight per year. Back in the day fighters came in the ring ****** up, injured and for peantuts when compared to today's pay.

Ray Robinson is not only considered one of the greatest fighters in the game, most consider him the greatest fighter ever.

[jabsRstiff]

Ray Robinson is the greatest fighter of all time. That, I will never argue with. But, his greatness, overall, does not translate to invincibilty at 160.
IMO....Hagler, Hopkins, & Monzon were all better 160lbers than he..& would probably have defeated him at that weight. They'd have BARELY beaten him, though.

Ray's greatness starts with how invincible HE WAS at 147....then the excellent success he did enjoy at 160. He coulda been the 175lb champ, also.....
Though he did win the crown 5 times....he also lost to a # of guys at 160.
When he was winning & losing to these guys, he was past his best age & weight-wise.
Just shows how remarkable a fighter he was....& also that at 160 he isn't the Sugar Ray Robinson who's the most phenomenal fighter ever.

[jabsRstiff]

Jack...

Floyd Mayweather would beat Ray Leonard ?

Kid.....STOP.

Learn some more before you speak.

Leonard would have destroyed Floyd.

Ray was everything Floyd is, boxing skill-wise....but was also a much better puncher & much bigger, physically.

Floyd has yet to prove he can handle 140 (though I think he'll be successful)....so how can h hang with the most complete 147-154 lber since Sugar Ray Robinson ?

C'mon !

[theironone]

im sick of tired when it comes to ppl talking about great middleweights...everybody says ray robinson could beat everybody..first off dont disrespect to ray rob..but truth be known ppl from that era werent half as good as they are today..a average fighter of today like william joppy would give ray robinson hell...ray rob never fought anybody with speed and power combined like fighters of today..and dont give me that "basillo" "graziano" bull either or ill hack ur pc

I've said it before so I'll say it again you really are full of **** acquitted

[brownpimp88]

Ray Robinson is not the best at 160, only uneducated people that are easily influenced by others would say that.

[PATO 1]

Floyd would beat Leonard...
Leonard's defense/offense < Floyd's defense/offense

i was lmao when i read that lil floyd told leonard hed punish him not because its absurd or anything i just think it was FUNNY

[joeytrimble]

hahahahahaha i reported the starter of this thread for his threat to hack our computer and his sheer ignorance ...little did i know the thread is 3 years old

hahahahhaha boy am i the ignorant one this time !

i just pwned my self!