attention losers..ray robinson was not that great @ 160

[spinksjinx]

I meant at 147. If Floyd can make it to Welters and not lose his abilities.

Floyd at welter is scary, that is to big of a weightclass for him...Lets see him at 140 more and see how he fairs against them first.....

[oldgringo]

Jack-You really think floyd would punish ray?

I cant see that, Ray was a big man for the divisions he fought in and Floyd is a pretty small guy....I dunno, It is a tough decision but im hard headed and will give Leonard tons of credit for nothing but I just cant see it....

OldGringo-Hagler is the only fighter in the past 30 years at middleweight that would have a glim of a chance defeating Ray Robinson....Ray and hagler in their primes *ouch* that would be another death in the ring.

Hagler was too much of a ****ing machine for Ray to hurt him. I honestly can never recall anyone hurting him. I think it'd be a great fight while it lasted...maybe it'd go 11-13 rounds and Hagler would stop it. I think Monzon would have beat Ray too as he had an awkward style, great boxing skills, and he was strong as an ox.

[jack_the_rippuh]

The only Hagler fight I seen was him vs. Hearns. But I got a quick question, did any of his opponents try to effectivly go to his body, because from what I see and heard the guy had a pretty hard chin.

[Italian250]

This thread is a JOKE! How old is this ass clown anyhow? Nine?Robinson wasn't "that good" at middle? You're right. He was ****ING incredible! He only won the middleweight title 5 times! Starting with Lamotta whom he owned 3 time previous to that. Knocked out Graziano in 3 rounds, Turpin in 9, Bobo Olsen twice, Gene Fullmer, blew Basilio's eye up so bad in the rematch he couldn't see for 2 weeks...not to mention was whipping the lightheavyweight champs ass for 12 rounds until he fell out with heat exhaustion. Did I mention he did all this beginning with his 121st fight!!!

What is up with these dumb-ass threads???

[Hurlex]

this guy above speack the truth...

[spinksjinx]

This thread is a JOKE! How old is this ass clown anyhow? Nine?Robinson wasn't "that good" at middle? You're right. He was ****ING incredible! He only won the middleweight title 5 times! Starting with Lamotta whom he owned 3 time previous to that. Knocked out Graziano in 3 rounds, Turpin in 9, Bobo Olsen twice, Gene Fullmer, blew Basilio's eye up so bad in the rematch he couldn't see for 2 weeks...not to mention was whipping the lightheavyweight champs ass for 12 rounds until he fell out with heat exhaustion. Did I mention he did all this beginning with his 121st fight!!!

What is up with these dumb-ass threads???

Make it more credible, Ray ****** for 13 rounds and collapsed at his stool due to heat not a beating....Ray was up on all scorecards....


Sugar Ray is "THE" god in boxing...

[nohero]

People are right in saying that today's training coupled with the natural evolution of boxing makes today's fighters better than the past. This is just true no matter how you look at it.

When people talk fantasy matchups and all-time p4p lists you have to look at that fighter's accomplishments vs the fighters of his era. He cannot be punished for the lack of training, nutrition and scouting information that boxers have access to today.

What people mean when they say "Robinson vs Hopkins" and things like that would be if they fought in the same era, who would win? Of course with today's advancements in health and nutrition the old boxers are at a disadvantage but what people are saying is that if Robinson fought today with all of the same advantages as today's fighters, he would still be the best. This makes complete sense.

Rocky Marciano fought at 185 lbs. By today's standards in the heavyweight division he'd be too small, but had he grown up in today's world with our current technology he would probably weigh 210-220. It's all relative. He'd be the same wrecking machine that he was then but just bigger and stronger and healthier and armed with better knowledge. He'd still go undefeated.

You have to judge fighters by their performance in their era. When doing this, Ray Robinson was magic no matter how you look at it, likely the best p4p that ever lived.

One thing I can say about past fighters is their passion for the sport, no one today comes close. I always like to say, Ray Robinson was Roy Jones but with heart and Rocky Marciano was Mike Tyson but with heart. Roy & Mike folded once the going got tough, Rocky & Ray never would.

[jack_the_rippuh]

Make it more credible, Ray ****** for 13 rounds and collapsed at his stool due to heat not a beating....Ray was up on all scorecards....


Sugar Ray is "THE" god in boxing...

So what does that make Mike Tyson?

[spinksjinx]

So what does that make Mike Tyson?

When talking about Ray Robinson...Mike who?

[cple]

Ray at middleweight wasn't too consistent, however, who could be consistent when they're past their prime fighting all-time greats numerous times. Still, i think only a handful of middleweights could've beaten the best 160 pound version of Robinson. Yeah, some say he wasn't in his prime at 160, but a past his prime Robinson was still one of the best fighters i've ever seen, if not the best.

As for this "old time fighters are better than today's" and vice verca, though i do tend to lean towards the earlier fighters since they proved a lot more in much more difficult circumstances, it doesn't necessarily mean none of today's fighters could compete with them. I've always thought that styles make fights. Simply because one fighter has "better" boxing skill doesn't mean he's a better fighter.

Did Frazier have better boxing ability than Ali? Did Ricardo Mayorga have better boxing ability than Forrest? Styles make fights.

And who's to say that today's boxers have more skill and boxing has evolved. Fighters such as Eder Jofre, Ezzard Charles, Billy Conn and numerous others' technique were as fine and correct as anyone today, if not moreso.