attention losers..ray robinson was not that great @ 160

[acquitted]

im sick of tired when it comes to ppl talking about great middleweights...everybody says ray robinson could beat everybody..first off dont disrespect to ray rob..but truth be known ppl from that era werent half as good as they are today..a average fighter of today like william joppy would give ray robinson hell...ray rob never fought anybody with speed and power combined like fighters of today..and dont give me that "basillo" "graziano" bull either or ill hack ur pc

[spinksjinx]

im sick of tired when it comes to ppl talking about great middleweights...everybody says ray robinson could beat everybody..first off dont disrespect to ray rob..but truth be known ppl from that era werent half as good as they are today..a average fighter of today like william joppy would give ray robinson hell...ray rob never fought anybody with speed and power combined like fighters of today..and dont give me that "basillo" "graziano" bull either or ill hack ur pc

Fullmer would own majority of the middleweights today....


I feel Robinson showed his best at welterweight though...Middleweight was his adopted division and lingered their his whole career...Although the fact that he would have beat the light heavyweight champ in a 15 round fight is spectacular (Ray was winning until he collapsed from the 104 degree temperature) Mind you ray weighed in under 160, I believe it was around 157 and joey maxim weighed in at 173 is amazing...

I can say ray wasnt great in the middleweight division, Sugar Ray was great in whatever division he fought in....Easily the best fighter of all time....


Ray Robinson would Maul Bernard Hopkins and any other middleweight today....

I could see Hagler giving robinson trouble, but noone beats ray in his prime....

Hands down no questions, You cant dispute that.

[BrooklynBomber]

In my opinion fighters of today are overall better that fighters of the past. New boxing training routines with an overall boxing evolution is the reason. But that's my opinion only.

[spinksjinx]

In my opinion fighters of today are overall better that fighters of the past. New boxing training routines with an overall boxing evolution is the reason. But that's my opinion only.

I agree with that and I dont, Some of the training techniques of the past seem way harder to make the fighter more tough then today, While the training may be better I just dont see some of todays "greats" beatings yesterdays.....

I dont think anyone in the heavyweight division today could beat, Ali

Noone in the middleweight division would beat, Ray robinson

Noone in welterweight today would defeat, Ray Leonard

and so on....I just dont see it....These guys were natural born boxers.

[BrooklynBomber]

Well you can not say that fighters of the past would be invincible against today's champions.( I dont mean hw) Just think about. You judge fighters abilities from the way he fought his opponents.But think how today fighters would fight against the same opposition.
Man I would love to watch Floyd fight Leonard

[spinksjinx]

Well you can not say that fighters of the past would be invincible against today's champions.( I dont mean hw) Just think about. You judge fighters abilities from the way he fought his opponents.But think how today fighters would fight against the same opposition.
Man I would love to watch Floyd fight Leonard

True and I am not saying that at all, I just feel the "GREATEST" boxers of the past would probably defeat the ones today in their respective divisions.....Especially pull a guy from the 30s-60s and he will probably maul a new age boxer......


Floyd vs Leonard would be a Dance Contest....


However floyd and ray are some of my favorite fighters, it would be a very cautious fight. I think....It also depends on the weight....Ray might be to much for him.

[oldgringo]

Acquitted quit with this **** already it ain't April and you ain't foolin anybody.

"Joppy would give Ray hell"...that's just way too funny so I'll disregard it.

No doubt that Ray wasn't the greatest at 160 but he would smoke every middle today outside of Hopkins (who would give him a very tough fight)

Hagler would stop Ray at middle IMO.

[jack_the_rippuh]

Floyd would beat Leonard...
Leonard's defense/offense < Floyd's defense/offense

[BrooklynBomber]

I meant at 147. If Floyd can make it to Welters and not lose his abilities.

[spinksjinx]

Jack-You really think floyd would punish ray?

I cant see that, Ray was a big man for the divisions he fought in and Floyd is a pretty small guy....I dunno, It is a tough decision but im hard headed and will give Leonard tons of credit for nothing but I just cant see it....

OldGringo-Hagler is the only fighter in the past 30 years at middleweight that would have a glim of a chance defeating Ray Robinson....Ray and hagler in their primes *ouch* that would be another death in the ring.