Why won't Pacquiao move to Welterweight?

[The Nature Boy]

Bump for ignorance...lol

[LeG00N]

Poochiao needs to stop ducking Middle and super Middle weight

He doesn't want anything to do with Andre ward and Froch

[The Nature Boy]

Poochiao needs to stop ducking Middle and super Middle weight

He doesn't want anything to do with Andre ward and Froch

You need to mind your own business if you cant add something intelligent or constructive to the debate.

[LeG00N]

You need to mind your own business if you cant add something intelligent or constructive to the debate.

you're a ****sexual..................


what now?

[The Nature Boy]

you're a ****sexual..................


what now?

Then I guess your mother really was a man...son.

[Seleção No. 13]

You need to mind your own business if you cant add something intelligent or constructive to the debate.

That's funny because this thread is a joke.

[Maidana vs Rios]

He just weighed in at 144lbs on Saturday night against Barrera, Welterweight is 3lbs north of that with much better competition including Mosley, De La Hoya, Mayweather, Hatton(if he stays there), Cotto, Cintron, and Williams.

He weighed 144 lbs in 2007, then four years later he weighed 148 lbs?

So he gained 4 lbs in just four years? That's like, super fast. He's definitely on teh roids.


Ortiz is worse. In just four months between the Peterson fight and the Berto fight, he gained 5 pounds!

Speaking of Berto, he's even worse than that. In just four months between the Forbes fight and Collazo fight, he gained 6 and a half pounds!

5 lbs and 6.5 lbs in just four MONTHS?! Not years, but MONTHS! That's like, super duper crazy ****** fast. Ortiz and Berto are definitely on teh roids, teh cutting edge Hi-Tech American kind.

God Bless America!

[tatangb45]

Did you graduate high school. or are you just trying to create an argument based of things you've read on this site in the past? the human body is at least 65-75% water, therefore in cutting what you would perceive as "massive amounts" of weight is simply water.

Paul Williams wasn't a big WW he's a MW, and he was just better at cutting water weight in training, and was looking to parlay that technique and advantage into a large payday at WW. Same thing your guy Pacquiao did @ 126-130, instead of comfortably making 135 and taking on guys like Castillio, Corrales. Same thing he did at 112 to avoid Saraphrom and Nishioka at 118, which he skipped altogether to go fight at 122.

Guess what? The guys That Pac fought at 126- 130 were also re-hydrating close to Pac's fight night weight. That basically cancels out the argument that Pac had taken advantage of smaller guys.
When Pac actually started fighting at his natural weight of + or - 145, he faced guys who were cutting weight to make 147. So, you merely want Pac to fight at WW, his natural fighting weight, in order for him not to have any weight advantage against guys who would out-weigh him by 10-17 lbs. at fight night.
Somehow this does not make any sense. There seems to be some hidden agenda here.

[Brother Jay]

Diaz was the WBC LW champion when Manny fought him.
Cotto was the WBO WW champion when Manny fought him.
Both titles were not vacant when Manny won them.

Only 3 of the 10 titles Manny won were vacant.
Insisting on 5 vacant titles out of 8 is a blatant lie.

You are a MORON and a LIAR.

When Don King set up Bruce Seldon to win a vacant belt so that he would have a title to lose to Mike Tyson, EVERYONE including myself called it bull****. Real fans recognized what was happening So did the pundits. Its was blatantly obvious.

A promoter often sets his own guys up with vacant title shots to make a match more interesting because if the fighter wins the vacant title, it makes it seem as though more is on the table and more is at stake.

Pacquiao does NOT get a pass.

Bob Arum setting Miguel Cotto up for a vacant title shot against Michael Jennings was the SAME EXACT DEAL. Jennings was never heard of before and never really heard from after. It was basically a belt exchange.

A lot of you cat-eating ignorant peasants think that this is directed only at Pacquiao. It isn't. I was BHOP's most ardent critic because he spent literally YEARS defending a belt that Roy Jones had vacated to fight the then P4P#1 James Toney. BHOP won it and defended only that one title to tie Monzon's record, which is bull**** because Monzon was the undisputed champion at MW. Hopkins was definitely not.

Arum has on several occasions targeted vacant title fights for Pacquiao. He's also set it up where Pacquiao faced an interim champion in Diaz, and he arranged for Cotto, who had just been destroyed by Margarito, to immediately compete for the vacant WBO title against of all people a man none of you have ever heard of ... coincidentally prior to a Pacquiao showdown which had already been made.

I don't care if you peasants get it. You're not even honest with yourselves. So I don't expect any honesty on this site.

Just because a fighter wins a vacant belt doesn't legitimize it. He isn't a champion because he didn't beat a champion to get the title. So the man who beats him isn't a champion either because there haven't been any champions in that sequence. It isn't until someone who is already a champion in that division wins that belt that the title is actually legitimized.

That is the difference between titlist and a champion. Champions beat other champions for the distinction. Titlists simply take what they can get where they can, and how they can.

TO BE A CHAMPION YOU MUST BEAT A CHAMPION.

Pacquiao is mostly a titlist. He's won a few, meaning 3 championships where he actually defeated a champion, but the rest are actually situations where Arum had him fighting opponents to make a case for being a champion.

That **** doesn't fly among real fans. Fine print has no place among the champions of ANY sport. If you call yourself the best, then what you do and how you did it should reflect that.

These idiots here are trying to legitimize the crafty **** that Arum has pulled in order to make Manny Pacquiao seem like he's been winning under the same conditions that all champions have.

THAT'S THE REAL FCUKING LIE.

Jack Johnson, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Ray Robinson, Joe Walcott, Floyd Patterson, Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmes, Ray Leonard, Julio Cesar Chavez, Mike Tyson, Roy Jones, Ricardo Lopez, Floyd Mayweather ... how many of them built their best wins off of stipulating their competition's weight?

How many of them have made concerted efforts to compete for several vacant titles?

How many of them called themselves the best when they hadn't fought a boxer ranked #1, 2 or 3 in three years?

Anyone who abides by that bull**** is soulless dirt bag and part of the problem with boxing.

[ummeed]

you're a ****sexual..................


what now?

Then I guess your mother really was a man...son.

you just called him son... so does that mean you are the "mother" that was really a man? or are you the husband/civil partner of that "mother"?

...which would of course, also translate to you indeed being a ****sexual...