Why Mosley will beat Cotto

**Addison** · 10-07-2007, 06:46 AM

Couple a C's in there..

**crillz** · 10-07-2007, 07:17 AM

I agree with certain points he made about Mosley's ability but I disagree fully with saying he got a bunch of B's and C's, maybe he does but Cotto for damn near half his whole career fought either past or present champions, he took away the 0 of a hard hitter in Torres, the slick boxer in Malignaggi and a mix of both in Quintana. he beat Carlos Maussa, Mohammed Abdulaev and Randall Bailey, he fought tough opposition and got better every time while Mosley had his fair share of those B and C fighters himself, I'm not saying Shane's resume isn't more impressive than Cotto's or likewise because those names speak for themselves but if Bernard is going to hold against Cotto those B and C names on his record he should also hold it against Mosley who fought his fair share of Adrian Stone's. I think Mosley wont be able to stand up against Cotto, he CAN hurt him, he CAN out box him but TO ME he CAN'T outwork him, maybe the Shane of 5 years ago could do a lil' suttin suttin but this one doesn't go too far, he would have to perform the fight of his life in there to avoid taking those massive, bone chilling punches Cotto is going to land, those punches in bunches and left hooks to the body will eventually catch up to Shane..

see Shane is the type that you have to hurt him to the head, he's too good to just focus on the body and hurt him, he can take massive shots there because he has GREAT conditioning so he has to be hit in the face, he can pretty much hold his own on them body shots but just 1 punch that he didn't see from Vernon Forrest rocked his whole daylight followed by punches that put him down pretty bad and even though he got up Vernon isn't Cotto, Vernon isn't a killer like Cotto, he punches HARD but he is more stationary, he punches when he can and moves out of harms way, thats his style, Cotto on the other hand goes for the kill, Cotto is the type to have him hurt and once Mosley gets up he bombards him with a select arsenal, punches and keeps punching then hits you with a punch you don't see coming, he got Judah like that, once hurt and dazed to the head the rest of the body is dazed too, thats Cotto's whole M.O. ya dig he uses relentless pressure to dominate his opponents, Mosley is more of that flurry of like 5-6 punches, side step, bob and weave then do it again type of fighter with a jab, Cotto has a jab, he does the same thing in terms of combos but not in flurry style he just lands power shots in bunches, his coming forward style will have Mosley on the run, boxing from angles and looking for openings but Cotto is great at cutting the ring off, trapping his opponents and ****ing away..

I may be taking too much away from Mosley, he is a very strong and gifted fighter but he is also of another era, this is youth VS aged, sometimes the aged fighter can win but it all depends on who's in front of them, Cotto is that ***** who isn't backing up for ****, unless you hurt him and he needs to regroup his whole approach is gonna be direct, Mosley IS if anyone the best look to out box him all while landing power shots, showing Cotto the skill Zab couldn't but Cotto got skills of his own, he has a good counter and great power, he is fluent with his punches so his release is very precise, I just can't see Mosley doing anything to him when Collazo made it to 12 with him having a broken hand, Cotto would crush Collazo and Mosley couldn't do that to a wounded Collazo so that raises my eyebrows here, the level of opposition isn't the same in the last 5 fight of these 2, Cotto is on the move up and Mosley is the next step while Mosley already came up and he's dealing with something he's seen before, i just figure Cotto to be more explosive, Mosley will bring his A game and come to fight, I will NOT be surprised to see Mosley out do Cotto I just don't predict that as the outcome, my prediction is that Cotto will head hunt Mosley until the accumilation becomes too much then in the later rounds something like in the Zab fight Mosley will fold, I got Cotto by KO but I could be wrong.. 100

**Addison** · 10-07-2007, 07:27 AM

Originally posted by crillz

I agree with certain points he made about Mosley's ability but I disagree fully with saying he got a bunch of B's and C's, maybe he does but Cotto for damn near half his whole career fought either past or present champions, he took away the 0 of a hard hitter in Torres, the slick boxer in Malignaggi and a mix of both in Quintana. he beat Carlos Maussa, Mohammed Abdulaev and Randall Bailey, he fought tough opposition and got better every time while Mosley had his fair share of those B and C fighters himself, I'm not saying Shane's resume isn't more impressive than Cotto's or likewise because those names speak for themselves but if Bernard is going to hold against Cotto those B and C names on his record he should also hold it against Mosley who fought his fair share of Adrian Stone's. I think Mosley wont be able to stand up against Cotto, he CAN hurt him, he CAN out box him but TO ME he CAN'T outwork him, maybe the Shane of 5 years ago could do a lil' suttin suttin but this one doesn't go too far, he would have to perform the fight of his life in there to avoid taking those massive, bone chilling punches Cotto is going to land, those punches in bunches and left hooks to the body will eventually catch up to Shane..

see Shane is the type that you have to hurt him to the head, he's too good to just focus on the body and hurt him, he can take massive shots there because he has GREAT conditioning so he has to be hit in the face, he can pretty much hold his own on them body shots but just 1 punch that he didn't see from Vernon Forrest rocked his whole daylight followed by punches that put him down pretty bad and even though he got up Vernon isn't Cotto, Vernon isn't a killer like Cotto, he punches HARD but he is more stationary, he punches when he can and moves out of harms way, thats his style, Cotto on the other hand goes for the kill, Cotto is the type to have him hurt and once Mosley gets up he bombards him with a select arsenal, punches and keeps punching then hits you with a punch you don't see coming, he got Judah like that, once hurt and dazed to the head the rest of the body is dazed too, thats Cotto's whole M.O. ya dig he uses relentless pressure to dominate his opponents, Mosley is more of that flurry of like 5-6 punches, side step, bob and weave then do it again type of fighter with a jab, Cotto has a jab, he does the same thing in terms of combos but not in flurry style he just lands power shots in bunches, his coming forward style will have Mosley on the run, boxing from angles and looking for openings but Cotto is great at cutting the ring off, trapping his opponents and ****ing away..

I may be taking too much away from Mosley, he is a very strong and gifted fighter but he is also of another era, this is youth VS aged, sometimes the aged fighter can win but it all depends on who's in front of them, Cotto is that ***** who isn't backing up for ****, unless you hurt him and he needs to regroup his whole approach is gonna be direct, Mosley IS if anyone the best look to out box him all while landing power shots, showing Cotto the skill Zab couldn't but Cotto got skills of his own, he has a good counter and great power, he is fluent with his punches so his release is very precise, I just can't see Mosley doing anything to him when Collazo made it to 12 with him having a broken hand, Cotto would crush Collazo and Mosley couldn't do that to a wounded Collazo so that raises my eyebrows here, the level of opposition isn't the same in the last 5 fight of these 2, Cotto is on the move up and Mosley is the next step while Mosley already came up and he's dealing with something he's seen before, i just figure Cotto to be more explosive, Mosley will bring his A game and come to fight, I will NOT be surprised to see Mosley out do Cotto I just don't predict that as the outcome, my prediction is that Cotto will head hunt Mosley until the accumilation becomes too much then in the later rounds something like in the Zab fight Mosley will fold, I got Cotto by KO but I could be wrong.. 100

Jesus man, War and Peace got nervous when it saw this post..

There's alot here - but do me a favor. Let's start with this..

Tell me about Collazo's injured hand.

This is from the 6th of the Mosley fight upward:

**kadyo's** · 10-07-2007, 07:30 AM

He MAY but not WILL. Sugar Shane is a sleek fighter but he is not getting young while Cotto right now is at his prime.

**Addison** · 10-07-2007, 07:48 AM

Originally posted by crillz

I agree with certain points he made about Mosley's ability but I disagree fully with saying he got a bunch of B's and C's, maybe he does but Cotto for damn near half his whole career fought either past or present champions, he took away the 0 of a hard hitter in Torres, the slick boxer in Malignaggi and a mix of both in Quintana. he beat Carlos Maussa, Mohammed Abdulaev and Randall Bailey, he fought tough opposition and got better every time while Mosley had his fair share of those B and C fighters himself, I'm not saying Shane's resume isn't more impressive than Cotto's or likewise because those names speak for themselves but if Bernard is going to hold against Cotto those B and C names on his record he should also hold it against Mosley who fought his fair share of Adrian Stone's. I think Mosley wont be able to stand up against Cotto, he CAN hurt him, he CAN out box him but TO ME he CAN'T outwork him, maybe the Shane of 5 years ago could do a lil' suttin suttin but this one doesn't go too far, he would have to perform the fight of his life in there to avoid taking those massive, bone chilling punches Cotto is going to land, those punches in bunches and left hooks to the body will eventually catch up to Shane..

see Shane is the type that you have to hurt him to the head, he's too good to just focus on the body and hurt him, he can take massive shots there because he has GREAT conditioning so he has to be hit in the face, he can pretty much hold his own on them body shots but just 1 punch that he didn't see from Vernon Forrest rocked his whole daylight followed by punches that put him down pretty bad and even though he got up Vernon isn't Cotto, Vernon isn't a killer like Cotto, he punches HARD but he is more stationary, he punches when he can and moves out of harms way, thats his style, Cotto on the other hand goes for the kill, Cotto is the type to have him hurt and once Mosley gets up he bombards him with a select arsenal, punches and keeps punching then hits you with a punch you don't see coming, he got Judah like that, once hurt and dazed to the head the rest of the body is dazed too, thats Cotto's whole M.O. ya dig he uses relentless pressure to dominate his opponents, Mosley is more of that flurry of like 5-6 punches, side step, bob and weave then do it again type of fighter with a jab, Cotto has a jab, he does the same thing in terms of combos but not in flurry style he just lands power shots in bunches, his coming forward style will have Mosley on the run, boxing from angles and looking for openings but Cotto is great at cutting the ring off, trapping his opponents and ****ing away..

I may be taking too much away from Mosley, he is a very strong and gifted fighter but he is also of another era, this is youth VS aged, sometimes the aged fighter can win but it all depends on who's in front of them, Cotto is that ***** who isn't backing up for ****, unless you hurt him and he needs to regroup his whole approach is gonna be direct, Mosley IS if anyone the best look to out box him all while landing power shots, showing Cotto the skill Zab couldn't but Cotto got skills of his own, he has a good counter and great power, he is fluent with his punches so his release is very precise, I just can't see Mosley doing anything to him when Collazo made it to 12 with him having a broken hand, Cotto would crush Collazo and Mosley couldn't do that to a wounded Collazo so that raises my eyebrows here, the level of opposition isn't the same in the last 5 fight of these 2, Cotto is on the move up and Mosley is the next step while Mosley already came up and he's dealing with something he's seen before, i just figure Cotto to be more explosive, Mosley will bring his A game and come to fight, I will NOT be surprised to see Mosley out do Cotto I just don't predict that as the outcome, my prediction is that Cotto will head hunt Mosley until the accumilation becomes too much then in the later rounds something like in the Zab fight Mosley will fold, I got Cotto by KO but I could be wrong.. 100

You're predicting that Cotto will headhunt Mosley until the accumilation becomes too much??... Hmmmmm... Interesting...

So I take it you like Cotto's power upstairs?

I'm pretty sure the majority of serious Cotto advocates don't see Miguel doing very well without his signature body work.. You believe he's going to beat his toughest opponent to date without his bread and butter?....?

**Addison** · 10-07-2007, 07:51 AM

Originally posted by Addison

Jesus man, War and Peace got nervous when it saw this post..

There's alot here - but do me a favor. Let's start with this..

Tell me about Collazo's injured hand.

This is from the 6th of the Mosley fight upward:

Here's what someone else online had to say about this. He's putting it more mildly than alot of folks I can think of but same message..

Im really quite annoyed collazo couldnt pull off the win...But hey..Thats sugar shane for you..
A true great fighter can still pull off the big fights..
Yeh it annoys me when people say they had this or that injury during fights most of the time..
The only time i will allow a fighter to excuse his performance and blame an injury is if you can visibly see that he's hurt something and somethings not right during the fight..
Sorta like a clottey thing.. if you know what i mean..

**Welter_Skelter** · 10-07-2007, 07:52 AM

The Thing about Cotto.. for all his perceived FLAWS.. Is That he always finds a way to win.. That is a rare quaility .. and it has been tested quite a few times..
No matter how talented the fighter in front of Cotto is.. I can't bring myself to bet against him.. He has that ACE up his sleeve..

**pound4poundabes** · 10-07-2007, 08:00 AM

lol on this fight i made special arrangements to watch this fight around a bunch of my puertorican boys ... just so I can talk mad **** when Shane beats the dog **** out of Cotto

**crillz** · 10-07-2007, 08:07 AM

Originally posted by Addison

Jesus man, War and Peace got nervous when it saw this post..

There's alot here - but do me a favor. Let's start with this..

Tell me about Collazo's injured hand.

This is from the 6th of the Mosley fight upward:

I don't understand your rhetoric, what do you mean by war and peace got nervous?? I'm not trippin at I'm all just curious.. as for the video if you look closely Collazo is not throwing to KO Mosley or even mount an effective offense, he's not punching with the power that is required to do him any justice in the fight, I remember hearing that he hurt his hand but since I can't exactly bring no link or source of proof I can't really claim that, the fight speaks for itself and it's funny how even Jim Lampley said it in the beginning of Round 7 how Collazo isn't even landing 10 or more shots just single digit numbers while Mosley is just doing him in there, boxing and using the ring to make Collazo look bad but Collazo doesn't respond, he just does the same **** over and over like a dumb ass and walked away with 2-3 rounds, I hear later on after the fight that Collazo's hand was hurt but I can't really remember in what site, it was right after the fight like a few days later, I believed it because he had the tools in terms of physical features and he had the ability skill wise to put up a better effort yet he didn't, there's no logical explanation for him not doing more and he looked hesitant to throw at times so to me it made sense..

maybe I jumped overboard by saying he broke his hand because it makes it sound like it was completely shattered and thats not what I meant but still I saw Collazo too reluctant to throw his power hand, I saw him jab a whole lot more than he should have and throwing shots that in no way were going to land, almost as if to keep Mosley away but no follow threw, I feel Collazo could have used his height and reach over Mosley a little more a la Vernon Forrest and neutralize Mosley with jab and execute with the counters, using effective aggressiveness as well proper defense, he just didn't stand up for this fight, he came in and he looked awkward after a while because I know he's not scared of him, a scared man wouldn't have fought to begin with, I know he's not sick or some **** and he just came off the best credible performance in his career so why isn't this kid punching, correction, why is he punching so much and landing less than 10 every round? it makes no sense, it's not so much him not throwing punches it his lack of power behind his shots, the pitter patter punching that Mosley shakes off, punches that don't land him being taller and just overall naturally bigger, a hand injury CAN cause this, it's why Floyd did so much better in his 2nd fight against Castillo because it's hard to throw ya hands when it hurts, once I heard that about Collazo's hand I accepted it because there's no other explanation for his lack of initiative and aggressiveness, Mosley is Mosley ya dig he can make anyone look bad but Collazo could have did better than that and didn't, he didn't fight a winner's fight and I think his hand had something to do with it.. 100

Why Mosley will beat Cotto