Pavlik Vs Taylor. Early stoppage?

[Naps]

Ok, don't all jump down my throat at once, but don't you think that the ref should have at least given Taylor the chance of beating the count against Pavlik.

After all, Pavlik was all over the place in the 2nd, but was able to carry on, and ultimately win.

I mean, the ref stopped it when Taylor was already down, not while he was still standing. To me it looked like a knockdown and nothing more.

I'm not suggesting that Taylor would have beaten the count, but I do feel the ref was premature in stopping the bout....

Discuss.

[oovavu]

Ok, don't all jump down my throat at once, but don't you think that the ref should have at least given Taylor the chance of beating the count against Pavlik.

After all, Pavlik was all over the place in the 2nd, but was able to carry on, and ultimately win.

I mean, the ref stopped it when Taylor was already down, not while he was still standing. To me it looked like a knockdown and nothing more.

I'm not suggesting that Taylor would have beaten the count, but I do feel the ref was premature in stopping the bout....

Discuss.

we've had this thread already prepared to be flamed, he was ktfo to be fair it was the right decision.

[Naps]

we've had this thread already prepared to be flamed, he was ktfo to be fair it was the right decision.

But surely the ref was still premature, he could have judged if he had been KTFO by using the count correctly.

[jamesbrown]

after watching it again maybe he should have gave him a count but taylor didn't really go down til it was ugly

[moofo]

Pure comedy.

[Naps]

Pure comedy.

Can you elaborate, or are you just tring to buff your post count up?

[Stromprophet]

*If* Taylor had got up, he was in trouble, and his health would have been in danger. Pavlik is a devestating finisher, when you watch that sequence in the corner nothing else could have happened.

1) Taylor didn't want to go down, but that actually made it worse for him (notice that he tried to stay up and Pavlik is wailing on him at the end, that's very dangerous, remember Zertuche was out on his feet and Pavlik creamed him when his hands weren't even up, same thing here)
2) Unlike Pavlik he was in the corner, instead of in the middle of the ring (a lot of stoppages happen when your in the corner or on the ropes)
3) Following point 2, you tend to be a sitting duck in the corner and take a lot more damage than a knockdown that happens in the open

*If* Taylor had simply gone down or took a knee instead of backing himself into a corner, the stoppage would not have been necessary at that point. But he took to viscious uppercuts in that sequence (ironically the punch Taylor should have been throwing when Pavlik was hurt). And by the end his hands are basically down but Taylor is still trying to stand up, and as a result his head is wide open and if the ref doesn't step in Taylor is going to take some even more viscious blows.

I mean Taylor didn't even try to get up. He is slumped and KTFO, he doesn't even know where he is at that point.

[boxingfan4life]

I dont understand why this is still be discusssed. Taylor was hurt and not fighting back, therefore the fight needed to be stop. I don't know where people are getting this 8 count **** from. did you see taylor when he was getting hit? The man was completely out of it. If the ref had did the 8 count jermain would have just took more punishment and the ref would have stopped it anyway. If anything the ref did his job by keeping the fighters safe. People need to accept the fact that taylor lost and it was a legit stoppage. Im a taylor fan myself but my judgment is not blinded by denial. Taylor got knocked out and hopefully he can bounce back and avenge his lost, like champions in the past have done.

[Stromprophet]

But surely the ref was still premature, he could have judged if he had been KTFO by using the count correctly.

Taylor was basically out on his feet. Stepping in is the correct thing to do in that situation. See Zertuche fight, or Corrales Vs. Castillo. When you are out on your feet against the ropes or in the corner, the ref is going to step in and stop the fight, because you're going to take a lot of more damage.

The ropes or corner is holding the fighter up but he is no longer defending himself, it's a very dangerous situation in which a fighter can get seriously hurt.

In the Zertuche fight, Pavlik basically knocket the guy out and he went to sleep on his feet, he hit him with a sick punch before the ref could step in. Which Zertuche went to the hospital after that.

[Naps]

*If* Taylor had got up, he was in trouble, and his health would have been in danger. Pavlik is a devestating finisher, when you watch that sequence in the corner nothing else could have happened.

1) Taylor didn't want to go down, but that actually made it worse for him (notice that he tried to stay up and Pavlik is wailing on him at the end, that's very dangerous, remember Zertuche was out on his feet and Pavlik creamed him when his hands weren't even up, same thing here)
2) Unlike Pavlik he was in the corner, instead of in the middle of the ring (a lot of stoppages happen when your in the corner or on the ropes)
3) Following point 2, you tend to be a sitting duck in the corner and take a lot more damage than a knockdown that happens in the open

*If* Taylor had simply gone down or took a knee instead of backing himself into a corner, the stoppage would not have been necessary at that point. But he took to viscious uppercuts in that sequence (ironically the punch Taylor should have been throwing when Pavlik was hurt). And by the end his hands are basically down but Taylor is still trying to stand up, and as a result his head is wide open and if the ref doesn't step in Taylor is going to take some even more viscious blows.

I mean Taylor didn't even try to get up. He is slumped and KTFO, he doesn't even know where he is at that point.

I agree with all your points here, but at the end of the day, the fight was stopped without a count. Surely all knockdowns should be given a count? I can appreciate a stoppage when the fighter is on his feet, but Taylor was DOWN, so should have been given the chance to recover (not that he would have).

Just annoys me, because I see it as a change to protocol thats all.