Tszyu - Mayweather

[Wiley Hyena]

No problems Wiley ,, I have asked you many times that question ,,,, I dont go with the part that you will decide if Hatton is better now untill after the fact , to me that kind off covers your ass because if Floyd beats him you will say Hatton has slipped , Hatton and his trainer have openly reported that he is a much better fighter now and is peaking career wise if you cannot take thier word for it you have no concept of burden of proof ,,,, you have also picked Floyd to get beaten by Hatton ,,,, my point is you cant have it both ways ,,,, I mean we all have opinions but you attack Floyd personally at every turn and when all is said and done if he beats Hatton you should be man enough to give him credit for doing something your idol could not do , because on the other foot you will sink the boot in if Hatton beats him ,,, Dec 9 will be very interesting in here and I hope people on the loosing side which ever that may be can give the winner his dues .

Noooo. You're trying to bootstrap yourself into the argument.

You want to believe that Tszyu would not have beaten Floyd. On the other hand, I believe he would have destroyed Floyd. Ok? The fact is they never fought.

Burden of proof? Don't tell me I have no concept of "burden of proof" when you so obviously do not understand that at all. What's more persuasive; hearsay or what you see with your own eyes? We'll know the performance level of both fighters when they actually fight.

Furthermore, Tszyu is not my "idol." This is just a matter of seeing the man box and dominate for 10 years. It's an objective appraisal of what I've seen.

Moreover, I'm not trying to have anything both ways. "Styles make fights." Triangulation is a weak analysis at best....you know that. I simply believe that because of his style, skill, and power, Tszyu in his prime was a greater threat to Floyd than Hatton is right now. IMO Tszyu was tailor made to beat a boxer like Floyd.

Lastly, if Floyd does beat Hatton, I will give him all the credit he is due, and the amount of credit will be exactly proportional to what happens in the fight. If Mayweather stands up to Hatton and knocks him out....he will get credit from me. An easy wide margin UD will draw credit from me but that's qualified on what happens in the fight. But, if Mayweather wins another chicken run decision of the type we've seen from him for years....nothing will be clarified at all with regard to Floyd. That's where I stand. I've said this same thing many times.

[Wiley Hyena]

when did he say that about cotto?tszyu never beat anyone except judah and mitchell so why do people think he could beat mayweather.tszyu's fight with mitchell was a close fight and the only reason tszyu won that fight was becuase of sharnba's knee giving out.

?? Tszyu beat Mitchell twice. In the second fight Tszyu knocked Mitchell down so many times that I cannot even remember how times it was. Then the KO came in round 3, I believe.

You need to familiarize yourself with Tszyu's career before you go spouting off with nonsense like this.

[Wiley Hyena]

Your bias shows again. It's OBVIOUS that Floyd wanted to establish himself as a ppv star by defeating Gatti than face Tszyu in another superfight, actually this is the 4th time Floyd has planned to fight someone in a superfight and the bastard ends up losing before the fight could happen.

First you said Tszyu "lied" when he told the press he was holding things open to make a fight with Floyd. You said Tszyu chose to fight Hatton instead of Floyd. I refuted that bull**** conclusively with statements made by both Tszyu and Floyd.

Now you've changed your position to say that Floyd chose Gatti because it's "obvious" that he wanted to be a PPV star rather than have a superfight with Tszyu.

lol........

[RodBarker]

Noooo. You're trying to bootstrap yourself into the argument.

You want to believe that Tszyu would not have beaten Floyd. On the other hand, I believe he would have destroyed Floyd. Ok? The fact is they never fought.

Burden of proof? Don't tell me I have no concept of "burden of proof" when you so obviously do not understand that at all. What's more persuasive; hearsay or what you see with your own eyes? We'll know the performance level of both fighters when they actually fight.

Furthermore, Tszyu is not my "idol." This is just a matter of seeing the man box and dominate for 10 years. It's an objective appraisal of what I've seen.

Moreover, I'm not trying to have anything both ways. "Styles make fights." Triangulation is a weak analysis at best....you know that. I simply believe that because of his style, skill, and power, Tszyu in his prime was a greater threat to Floyd than Hatton is right now. IMO Tszyu was tailor made to beat a boxer like Floyd.

Lastly, if Floyd does beat Hatton, I will give him all the credit he is due, and the amount of credit will be exactly proportional to what happens in the fight. If Mayweather stands up to Hatton and knocks him out....he will get credit from me. An easy wide margin UD will draw credit from me but that's qualified on what happens in the fight. But, if Mayweather wins another chicken run decision of the type we've seen from him for years....nothing will be clarified at all with regard to Floyd. That's where I stand. I've said this same thing many times.

Ooooo no Im not ,,,, You are picking Hatton to win on one hand and on the other not admitting he is better now and calling the word of his trainer and himself hearsay , its on video from their own mouths which is not hearsay but first person , sounds like a hedging of bets to me or in plain english covering your ass .

My point of burden of proof is in reference to in the past posts of this topic you have ignored proof of hard coded dates of factual statements that all coincide like a glove on a hand and you have gone along with hearsay that shows that you flip flop to suit your agenda .

If Floyd beats Hatton by running so bit it he would you do the same to Kostya , it doesnt matter how you win at this level because if your not great at what you do you cant win .

[eric maldonado]

?? Tszyu beat Mitchell twice. In the second fight Tszyu knocked Mitchell down so many times that I cannot even remember how times it was. Then the KO came in round 3, I believe.

You need to familiarize yourself with Tszyu's career before you go spouting off with nonsense like this.

i remember that they fought twice but after the first fight with all the roughousing tszyu was doing causing mitchell to have a knee injury he hasn't been the same since.mitchell fought in the rematch a couple of months after and it was obvious he wasn't fully healed

[Fox McCloud]

No....Hatton v. Tszyu was not a "superfight" fight because Hatton at that time was relatively unknown to the American consumer and because Hatton was a big time underdog. You cannot compare the PPV drawing power of Hatton at that time with the PPV drawing power of Floyd at that time.

Could he have done both? Of course, but would he have done both? IMO the answer is NO, not as long as Tszyu was in championship form. Too dangerous. Maybe he could have fought Tszyu right off the bat after moving to 140. Maybe soon thereafter. But, nothing of the sort was ever seriously attempted by Floyd.

I think it's an interesting question to ask: What if Tszyu would have beaten Hatton? Would we still be waiting for the big fight with Tszyu? Let's see... Tszyu is 38 years old or so right now....

And that's really why we can never find common ground to settle this on. There is absolutely no way to prove this either way. I know that good debates always happen on subjects that cannot be definatively settled, but we have beat the **** out of this issue.

I will say that you shine when the topic is right, and this is definately a topic that you show up for.

[Wiley Hyena]

Ooooo no Im not ,,,, You are picking Hatton to win on one hand and on the other not admitting he is better now and calling the word of his trainer and himself hearsay , its on video from their own mouths which is not hearsay but first person , sounds like a hedging of bets to me or in plain english covering your ass .

My point of burden of proof is in reference to in the past posts of this topic you have ignored proof of hard coded dates of factual statements that all coincide like a glove on a hand and you have gone along with hearsay that shows that you flip flop to suit your agenda .

If Floyd beats Hatton by running so bit it he would you do the same to Kostya , it doesnt matter how you win at this level because if your not great at what you do you cant win .

Don't tell me what I mean. You just want to argue that's all and your argument isn't even logical, it's nitpicky and trivial. I think Hatton will win. What else do you want?

Styles make fights. If you want to refute that simple piece of boxing law, then go ahead and have a go! I'll just sit back and watch with a smile on my face.

[Wiley Hyena]

And that's really why we can never find common ground to settle this on. There is absolutely no way to prove this either way. I know that good debates always happen on subjects that cannot be definatively settled, but we have beat the **** out of this issue.

I will say that you shine when the topic is right, and this is definately a topic that you show up for.

Thanks Dwiens. I'm outa here. Goodnight.

[Jim Jeffries]

Ooooo no Im not
If Floyd beats Hatton by running so bit it he would you do the same to Kostya , it doesnt matter how you win at this level because if your not great at what you do you cant win .

What does Floyd potentially beating Hatton by running have anything to do with Kostya? Hatton is not on Tszyu's level yet. And as for your last sentence, Tszyu was great at what he did, so what's your point?

[feed-the-goat]

What does Floyd potentially beating Hatton by running have anything to do with Kostya? Hatton is not on Tszyu's level yet. And as for your last sentence, Tszyu was great at what he did, so what's your point?

Hatton unbeaten in 43, 2 weight world chmpion, Fills out venues in America, has beaten tszu but apparently hes not on Tszu's level.
How does that 1 work