Pernell Whitaker is overrated on these forums

[tredh]

He is no where near overrated. Honestly I feel he is finally getting some of the much earned and deserved credit for how great he was.
Come on now people give credit where credit is due PBF made a adjustment in the Judah fight which Judah could not do and that led to PBF beating the **** out him for 9 rounds because Judah only rounds 1,2,and 4.

[Vladimir303]

If anything Pernell is underrated. He was a remarkable boxer, a genuine all-time-great and a fighter who ducked no-one. I mean, he didn't lose a fight until he was over the hill (the Ramirez decision was absolutely appawling) and he fought everyone.

Trust me, he is not underrated. In the last few years, the Pernell Whitaker cult has been growing. Mostly people who watch highlights. Some do know what they're talking about but they still pump him up too high as if he was unbeatable. Way too much hype

As I said, his style wasn't mean to last for a long time and smoking crack didn't help him either. He wasn't disciplined and it cost him in the late stretch and now people are on his nuts talking about he unbeatable when he was at his best.

[Vladimir303]

This thread turning into a flame war lol jus reading the first page haha and floyd overrated pernall had better boxing ability.

Thank you for you expert oppinion sterling

[The Noose]

Floyd does not pull back and even if he does he covers up unlike pernell. The guy's defense came purely from moving his head. He never covered up with his gloves. Take a look at this:

Floyd can and did all of this vs a bunch of fighters, the differece is he doesn't do it the entire fight waisting energy moving his head like this. Floyd's defense comes from covering up (shoulder roll and defensive shell a ala winky wright) and moving his head where pernell only moves and slips punches.

Im sorry, but u criticize people for getting their boxing 'knowledge' from youtube highlights, then use a youtube highlight video to prove a point!

Whitaker used his gloves to catch his opponents punches in many of the fights i have of his. Whitaker was much more aggressive than Floyd, and used his defensive skills whilst exchanging with opponents. Floyd stays at range and uses his hand speed as his main defense most of the time.

I believe it takes more skill to stay closer to ur opponent and not get hit, as Whitaker displayed.

He also fought a very close fight with a prime De La Hoya when Whitaker was past his prime. Compare that to Floyd.....winning boring UD against an older slower out of retirement Oscar.


As for him being overrated...he is by some, like many great fighters are. But i personally think its great that he is gaining the recognition he deserves. Its not hype like Tyson. Whitaker actually fought and beat some great fighters.

Why compare their heights?? They have both fought and beat opponents much taller than themselves.

[The Noose]

now people are on his nuts talking about he unbeatable when he was at his best.

Maybe its because at his best he fought some great great fighters and didnt lose. He was robbed against Chavez and Jose Luis Ramirez, whilst Floyd although undefeated, hasnt fought the same quality opposition and many believe he lost to Castillo.

Every fighter is beatable, but Whitaker probably didnt receive the acclaim he deserved at the time.

[Steak]

Blackirish

How do you think Zab started falling apart? Did he fall apart against Cory Spinks when he knocked him out in the 11th? No, floyd made him fall apart by changing his game plan from boxing from the outside to putting the pressure on him as Roger Mayweather instructed him to do. And it worked

he started falling apart when Mayweather changed up his strategy, and after that he started getting tagged and lost focus. Its not like he gassed, Zab doesnt gas in the first 4 rounds...but he does tend to lose concentration easily.

If Floyd tried to fight Whitaker like he did Zab, he would beaten. That hands up stalking isnt gonna work against Pernell. All due to respect to Floyd, but JCC and Nelson were far better fighters in that style of fighting. and Whitaker didnt have a ton of problems figuring them out and outpointing them. And if the fight stayed like the first 3 rounds of the Zab fight before Mayweather adjusted, he would also get beaten.
In other words, that adjustment Floyd made to counter Judahs speed and southpaw stance would absolutely not work on Pernell.

If you really believe all of Whitaker's defense came from head movement, I dont really know what to say...Ive seen a lot of his fights, and I thought he used a little bit of everything-movement around the ring, rolling and blocking with the shoulders, blocking with the hands, angles, head movement...

[Vladimir303]

he started falling apart when Mayweather changed up his strategy, and after that he started getting tagged and lost focus. Its not like he gassed, Zab doesnt gas in the first 4 rounds...but he does tend to lose concentration easily.

If Floyd tried to fight Whitaker like he did Zab, he would beaten. That hands up stalking isnt gonna work against Pernell. All due to respect to Floyd, but JCC and Nelson were far better fighters in that style of fighting. and Whitaker didnt have a ton of problems figuring them out and outpointing them. And if the fight stayed like the first 3 rounds of the Zab fight before Mayweather adjusted, he would also get beaten.
In other words, that adjustment Floyd made to counter Judahs speed and southpaw stance would absolutely not work on Pernell.

If you really believe all of Whitaker's defense came from head movement, I dont really know what to say...Ive seen a lot of his fights, and I thought he used a little bit of everything-movement around the ring, rolling and blocking with the shoulders, blocking with the hands, angles, head movement...

Blackirish, he wouldn't have to adjust and pressure pernell the way he did judah. He has a way bigger reach then pernell. All he has to do is throw more jabs like he did vs delahoya and the fight is over.

[Maxy]

Blackirish, he wouldn't have to adjust and pressure pernell the way he did judah. He has a way bigger reach then pernell. All he has to do is throw more jabs like he did vs delahoya and the fight is over.

You speak as if you know what you are talking about and then make a comment like this. There is NO point in arguing with you when concerning Pernell because you have NO idea.

[Vladimir303]

You speak as if you know what you are talking about and then make a comment like this. There is NO point in arguing with you when concerning Pernell because you have NO idea.

I do know. Some people got their mind set that Pernell would beat floyd and I got my mind set that he wouldn't. Plain and simple

I explained myself at the creation of this thread. I stated all of floyd's advandages.

Defense- floyd,
offense-floyd (more power)
overall stamina-floyd
Height/reach- floyd

Speed- ? you tell me

[Steak]

Blackirish, he wouldn't have to adjust and pressure pernell the way he did judah. He has a way bigger reach then pernell. All he has to do is throw more jabs like he did vs delahoya and the fight is over.

that doesnt really make sense. the first four rounds before Mayweather adjusted were pretty even, and some would say Judah won them, altho personally I thought the rounds were split between them. and Judah primarily used his left hand to be effective. Pernell would be stuffing that very effective jab along with that left hand, and would be able to slip punches much better than Judah as well.

the reach difference between Judah and Whitaker is very little Im sure, I doubt it would make much of a difference.