Mayweather: "Ricky will get a toe-to-toe Battle"

[Wiley Hyena]

No dice slim thug, download the fight in my sig, and tell me that he doesn't go toe-to-toe. He went toe-to-toe with everyone at 140 that he fought, and with Mitchell, and started to do so with Zab when he wore down in the later rounds. He actually went a step farther than going toe-to-toe with Zab in the later rounds, he actually had to sort of chase Zab, because Zab was backing up, without throwing a lot of punches, which in my mind is what running is in boxing terms.

He was on his bike against Baldomir and De La Hoya, which he frequently got off to throw a few punches.

"Slim thug??" lol..........you're really on fire tonight, Dwiens. But, Floyd Mayweather, Jr. is no Marvin Hagler. To even suggest that Floyd is a toe to toe fighter is just incredible to me. Does he pick spots to make a brief stand? Sure. But, he is not a toe to toe fighter. That's a HUGE overstatement.

[Fox McCloud]

"Slim thug??" lol..........you're really on fire tonight, Dwiens. But, Floyd Mayweather, Jr. is no Marvin Hagler. To even suggest that Floyd is a toe to toe fighter is just incredible to me. Does he pick spots to make a brief stand? Sure. But, he is not a toe to toe fighter. That's a HUGE overstatement.

I would be among the last to call him a toe-to-toe fighter. I said that he fights toe-to-toe at times. At 140 though, he really was a toe-to-toe fighter.

I think he will start standing toe-to-toe with Hatton in the later rounds. I don't think Floyd said he is going to cement his feet to the canvas as soon as the bell rings, and anyone who interprets what he said to mean that has reason to be disappointed for faulty translation.

EDIT: Hella mad props for spelling my last name right, I have seen Weins on here so many times... karma for you if I can give it.

[Azteca]

I would be among the last to call him a toe-to-toe fighter. I said that he fights toe-to-toe at times. At 140 though, he really was a toe-to-toe fighter.

I think he will start standing toe-to-toe with Hatton in the later rounds. I don't think Floyd said he is going to cement his feet to the canvas as soon as the bell rings, and anyone who interprets what he said to mean that has reason to be disappointed for faulty translation.

EDIT: Hella mad props for spelling my last name right, I have seen Weins on here so many times... karma for you if I can give it.

Yeah those whole THREE fights he stood in the pocket. Bruseles, N'dou, and Gatti. Damn I give him credit for that....

look...I can go in the ring against my 10 year old sister and stand in the ring. Toe to toe. It doesn't mean anything. If he wants to show his true stones he'll stay in the pocket and fight with Hatton.

I give him all the credit in the world for winning rounds. But the guy does not have a champs heart. Well...unless you count the 5 second burst at the end of the fight with DLH...heart.

I dont.

[Wiley Hyena]

Yeah those whole THREE fights he stood in the pocket. Bruseles, N'dou, and Gatti. Damn I give him credit for that....

look...I can go in the ring against my 10 year old sister and stand in the ring. Toe to toe. It doesn't mean anything. If he wants to show his true stones he'll stay in the pocket and fight with Hatton.

I give him all the credit in the world for winning rounds. But the guy does not have a champs heart. Well...unless you count the 5 second burst at the end of the fight with DLH...heart.

I dont.

Ker Plunk. I think that just about says it all. lol

[Easton Assassin]

No dice slim thug, download the fight in my sig, and tell me that he doesn't go toe-to-toe. He went toe-to-toe with everyone at 140 that he fought, and with Mitchell, and started to do so with Zab when he wore down in the later rounds. He actually went a step farther than going toe-to-toe with Zab in the later rounds, he actually had to sort of chase Zab, because Zab was backing up, without throwing a lot of punches, which in my mind is what running is in boxing terms.

He was on his bike against Baldomir and De La Hoya, which he frequently got off to throw a few punches.

Thats not toe-to-toe with hatton man. Ndou,Gatti,Brusseles and even Corely will never Be considered even Half what Hatton already is. If you can't admit that, thats your problem.


Examples: When oscar rallied, what did floyd do? Full defensive!

When Judah came at floyd what did he do? Full defensive!

He was full defensive the entire Baldy fight, and one that can be hit at will should be stopped, yet Mayweather never went for the kill.

Hatton will be the stronger,rougher fighter come fight night. Mayweather will spend the first few rounds trying to see what he has-these rounds will be Hattons by default. The real fight will begin when Mayweather picks his spots and finds he WILL pay to land on Hatton effectively.

You guys have a false impression if you think Hatton is gonna let Floyd dictate the pace. That will not Happen. Hatton has dictated the pace in every fight he has fought bar none! Mayweather has relied on superior conditioning and speed. Those will be nullified by Hattons pure unadulterated relentless attack.

Is it not true that Mayweather does his best work when the paced is very slow and he can set up his opponents working off their mistakes? The Judah and DLH fights showed that conclusively. Early on Floyd struggled until he could dictate the pace better.

I speak the truth. Mayweather biggest advantage is his ability to control the fight, with that gone he is a very limited fighter because he chooses not to punch with his opponent. He will have to do that, because Hattons not gonna stop punching.

[Fox McCloud]

Yeah those whole THREE fights he stood in the pocket. Bruseles, N'dou, and Gatti. Damn I give him credit for that....

look...I can go in the ring against my 10 year old sister and stand in the ring. Toe to toe. It doesn't mean anything. If he wants to show his true stones he'll stay in the pocket and fight with Hatton.

I give him all the credit in the world for winning rounds. But the guy does not have a champs heart. Well...unless you count the 5 second burst at the end of the fight with DLH...heart.

I dont.

Fights that I call toe-to-toe from Mayweather's career
(I'm starting after the switch from Floyd Sr., who stressed defense, to Roger, who stresses offense)

Burton (now Augustus)
Corrales (in the later rounds)
Chavez (when he Chavez stopped bullrushing him)
I can't remember if he did with Victoriano Sosa or not
N'dou
Corley
Bruseles
Gatti
Mitchell
Judah (when Judah wore down he had to chase him)

Not counting Sosa, that makes 9 out of 15 that Floyd stood in the pocket and sat down on his punches. This only leaves out, Carlos Hernandez (broken hand), Castillo I, Castillo II, Sosa, Baldomir (claims to have a hurt hand), De La Hoya.

The prospect of a toe-to-toe battle here is encouraged by the fact that Floyd is fighting a dwarf in comparison to the last two guys he has fought.

[Azteca]

Fights that I call toe-to-toe from Mayweather's career
(I'm starting after the switch from Floyd Sr., who stressed defense, to Roger, who stresses offense)

Burton (now Augustus)
Corrales (in the later rounds)
Chavez (when he Chavez stopped bullrushing him)
I can't remember if he did with Victoriano Sosa or not
N'dou
Corley
Bruseles
Gatti
Mitchell
Judah (when Judah wore down he had to chase him)

Not counting Sosa, that makes 9 out of 15 that Floyd stood in the pocket and sat down on his punches. This only leaves out, Carlos Hernandez (broken hand), Castillo I, Castillo II, Sosa, Baldomir (claims to have a hurt hand), De La Hoya.

The prospect of a toe-to-toe battle here is encouraged by the fact that Floyd is fighting a dwarf in comparison to the last two guys he has fought.

The bolded you really have no business mentioning. That's liek me mentioning Hatton boxing against Ray Oliviera and Michael Stewart. Who gives a ****.

And like I haev posted in the past. The true mettle of a champion is when he gets hit...and fights back like a warrior. Like Ray Leonard. I saw a little bit of that when he fought Castillo the 1st time...but he was down in that bout by about 2 roudns that he had ZERO chance. Since then all I have really seen him do is fight in the pocket against smaller, inferior fighters.

Oh and I know you're going to come back with Floyd is a little guy too. But theres a difference.

Corley - weak as hell. Was his sparring partner before they even fought.
Sosa - yeah..he didn't stand toe to toe. He jabbed the entire bout. He was booed profusely.
Corrales- I'll give you that. But he wasn't fighting toe to toe. More like moving in and out and throwing fast counters. jab to the body/ left hook to the head was his staple. And then out.
Chavez - I'll give you that one.
Gatti - yeah..was shot for years...DLH owned his ass about 3 or 4 years earlier before Floyd got to him.
Mitchell - decent fighter. Floyd tried to put on a show and did. I'l give you that one.

and finally....Judah. I'll give you that one. But I can point out the Baldomir, Spinks, Tszyu, Cotto.....and the Pineda/Corley/Vazquez stinkers.. Not an elite level fighter. Elite level talent yes....but the former...Nope.

Oh...and what was the topic again??? We have been rambling abit.

[Easton Assassin]

Fights that I call toe-to-toe from Mayweather's career
(I'm starting after the switch from Floyd Sr., who stressed defense, to Roger, who stresses offense)

Burton (now Augustus)
Corrales (in the later rounds)
Chavez (when he Chavez stopped bullrushing him)
I can't remember if he did with Victoriano Sosa or not
N'dou
Corley
Bruseles
Gatti
Mitchell
Judah (when Judah wore down he had to chase him)

Not counting Sosa, that makes 9 out of 15 that Floyd stood in the pocket and sat down on his punches. This only leaves out, Carlos Hernandez (broken hand), Castillo I, Castillo II, Sosa, Baldomir (claims to have a hurt hand), De La Hoya.

The prospect of a toe-to-toe battle here is encouraged by the fact that Floyd is fighting a dwarf in comparison to the last two guys he has fought.

Look at the names where he actually fought alittle, then look at the names where he set indoor speed records?

Tell me there isn't a difference in quality of opposition. You just used his obvious inability to dominate decent composition as an example of his greatness.

[Fox McCloud]

The bolded you really have no business mentioning. That's liek me mentioning Hatton boxing against Ray Oliviera and Michael Stewart. Who gives a ****.

And like I haev posted in the past. The true mettle of a champion is when he gets hit...and fights back like a warrior. Like Ray Leonard. I saw a little bit of that when he fought Castillo the 1st time...but he was down in that bout by about 2 roudns that he had ZERO chance. Since then all I have really seen him do is fight in the pocket against smaller, inferior fighters.

Oh and I know you're going to come back with Floyd is a little guy too. But theres a difference.

Corley - weak as hell. Was his sparring partner before they even fought.
Sosa - yeah..he didn't stand toe to toe. He jabbed the entire bout. He was booed profusely.
Corrales- I'll give you that. But he wasn't fighting toe to toe. More like moving in and out and throwing fast counters. jab to the body/ left hook to the head was his staple. And then out.
Chavez - I'll give you that one.
Gatti - yeah..was shot for years...DLH owned his ass about 3 or 4 years earlier before Floyd got to him.
Mitchell - decent fighter. Floyd tried to put on a show and did. I'l give you that one.

and finally....Judah. I'll give you that one. But I can point out the Baldomir, Spinks, Tszyu, Cotto.....and the Pineda/Corley/Vazquez stinkers.. Not an elite level fighter. Elite level talent yes....but the former...Nope.

Oh...and what was the topic again??? We have been rambling abit.

I guess we will agree to disagree on your heart of a champion part. I think it is more important to stay composed when hit, instead of letting your emotions get the best of you, giving your opponent a better chance of knocking you out when you open up.

Anyways, I'm out, going to watch Judah fight Witter on my computer.

[Wiley Hyena]

Fights that I call toe-to-toe from Mayweather's career
(I'm starting after the switch from Floyd Sr., who stressed defense, to Roger, who stresses offense)

Burton (now Augustus)
Corrales (in the later rounds)
Chavez (when he Chavez stopped bullrushing him)
I can't remember if he did with Victoriano Sosa or not
N'dou
Corley
Bruseles
Gatti
Mitchell
Judah (when Judah wore down he had to chase him)

Not counting Sosa, that makes 9 out of 15 that Floyd stood in the pocket and sat down on his punches. This only leaves out, Carlos Hernandez (broken hand), Castillo I, Castillo II, Sosa, Baldomir (claims to have a hurt hand), De La Hoya.

The prospect of a toe-to-toe battle here is encouraged by the fact that Floyd is fighting a dwarf in comparison to the last two guys he has fought.

And, who are these idiots (present company excluded, of course) that are saying that when Hatton feels Floyd's power, he'll back off...etc....? That's just crap. IMO it's going like this: Floyd will feel Hatton's power almost immediately. From that point on, Floyd's on his bike and going for a decision on points or waiting for later opportunities if Hatton tires. It's as simple as that, folks. The issue is whether or not Hatton can consistently get inside and bruise Floyd up. That's the whole fight. Where the Mayweatherites miss it (mainly because they just haven't paid that much attention to Hatton's career) is not understanding what makes Hatton so effective. At first glance, Hatton looks like a repetitive clincher with a quick short hook or two coming in. But, what happens is that the opponent gradually withers because Hatton's all round physical strength sapps their energy. I guarantee you Floyd will be on his bike the first time he feels this. There will be no toe to toe until either Floyd gets tired and cornered, or Hatton gets tired and Floyd thinks it's safe to come in.